On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:27:46 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .


It doesn't matter whether the problem
was in the material, training for the installers,
lack of inspection or anything else.
Taken in total, the technology and its
implementation can and did fail

The technology never failed. Workmanship did. You obviously can't tell the
difference.

The technology *includes* the implementation.

Otherwise one could dream up all kinds of complicated materials that
require a lot of skill to use them, and when they fail say that it was
the workmanship.

For a technology to be successful, it does have to be easily
implemented or the outcome will be a failure.

I haven't said that SIPs can't be useful or successful, nor have I
disputed their popularity.

However, demonstrably, poor execution can lead to a poor outcome, so
they are not the panacea that you claim. Some level of ability and
supervision is still required.



and so does have potential disadvantages.

What might they be?

I think we've covered that.


You would be better off not reading
manufacturer web sites and
accepting all that they say unquestioningly.

I don't. I have visited a few of the SIP homes in the UK. A number are
going up in Portsmouth right now.

Inevitably, there will be another side to the story - there always is.

The right one, the objective one. You lack objectivity and go for tabloid
headlines, like the SIP failures in Alaska headline. Sucked in hook line and
sinker.

I think that really is the pot calling the kettle black.

You are the one who has tried to portray this technology as perfect.
Demonstrably, it is not.

No doubt it is possible to use the technology successfully, but it is
not perfect and is subject to problems in certain circumstances.

Those are the objective facts. It may be that the failure rate in
properties is 1% or even 0.1%, but that still represents a failure,
and the consumer should not be so naive as to believe your claims that
the technology is simple to use when clearly problems can happen.


..andy

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