Nate Perkins wrote:

"Fletis Humplebacker" ! wrote:

"Nate Perkins"

"Fletis Humplebacker"

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Do the tax cuts help the economy? They are all borrowed money against
the deficit, which effectively increases long term interest rates. A
short term tax cut done in a broad-based stimulative way does help the
economy during recession. A long-range deficit tax cut that is
unsustainable has as much chance of hurting the economy as it does to
help it.

That alot of speculation on your part. It assumes that the money belongs
to the government in the first place.


The concept that long term deficits and sustained increasing debt is
harmful to the health of the economy is well established. What

'Ol Fletis is right about one thing here. It *ain't* the government's
money. The deficits are not primarily caused by tax reduction, they
are primarily caused by the government spending money on the
mooching-cause-of-the-moment with absolutely no self control, especially
in an election cycle.

conservative group would you trust for verification of this idea?
Check out the Cato Institute or the Heritage Foundation, both are

Cato is NOT a "Conservative" group by any definition. They just don't
lay down for the Idiot Left (Schumer, Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, et al)

fairly conservative and are vocal on this issue.

And the *Republicans* have sadly become the party of big spenders:

http://www.cato.org/research/fiscal_...factsfigs.html

By any measure (absolute, incremental, per capita, inflation adjusted)
the Bush administration has overseen more spending than any
government in our history ... AND ... the military portion of it
is rather minor. These so-called "right wing conservatives" has
spend bagsfull of money on entitlement programs (drugs, farmers, etc.).

The moochers have spoken...





They are a loan that you are taking out to
help subsidize the guys who really got the big tax cuts.

Like who? The evil rich? Why shouldn't they get a tax cut as well?



Sure they should. When we can afford it, everyone ought to get one.
We can't afford it, though.

Says who?


You think we can afford another tax cut with the deficit currently
running at over 20% of all expenditures? With the debt going up the
way it is? I dunno, maybe all that balanced budget stuff is just
fuzzy math.

You must have gone to a school with a lot of Outcome-Based Learning
goals because the math isn't that hard here. We should all get a HUGE
tax reduction by cutting the Federal Government back to it
Constitutionally mandated tasks. That's right - you CAN reduce taxation
and eliminate deficit simultaneously. The problem is not what the
government takes in, it is what it SPENDS...



Shifting the
tax burden from the upper class to the middle class (maybe you saw the
GAO report of a week ago?) is bad economic policy,


That liberal hysteria. The are angry that money doesn't get
distributed the way they want. The tax burden is growing because
government is growing and there's less earners per entitlement
recipients. Punishing the achievers has an adverse effect as
history proves. That's bad economics!

Not liberal hysteria. Reports of the President's own economists.

They said Bush had a bad economic policy and shifted the tax burden?


They said that Bush's policies have shifted more of the tax burden to
the middle class, and away from the upper class:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5689001/ Whether or not you think this
is bad economic policy probably depends on whether or not you are
rich.


This is a crock because the definition of "rich" is so fluid in these
discussions. More to the point, why should a fractional proportion
of the federal taxpayers (the so-called "rich") pick up a disproportionate
amount of the taxes that everone ELSE get the benefit from. You want
a "fair" system? Then support a flat VAT tax. Everyone pays the
same _percentage_, but bigger spenders pay more in absolute terms.
'Course, if we had a flat federal sales tax and nothing else, the
Congress Critters couldn't tinker with the Order Of Things to encourage
young poor girls to have more out of wedlock children (future Idiot
Liberals) or conversely to jam the morality-of-the-moment down
the throats of the school children (future Self-Important Conservatives).


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