Mike Hide wrote:


"WD" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:49:37 GMT, "Mike Hide"

wrote:

Mike, please reply with short answers (I falls asleep if long

winded...Blah,

blah, blah...)


No one likes the patriot act per se on the other hand it gives some
protection .Without it the next hit might well be 30,000 and not 3000

plus

. I suppose some people just don't get it do they .....mjh

Thank goodness we do think alike, you too dislike the Patriot Act? Do you

think

anything could be done beside the Patriot Act to preserve our freedom and
security?

Do you think we should reexamine our self, to find out why there are so

many

people outside the US dislike us so much that some are willing to

sacrificing

their lives to destroy us?


If we could find that billion dollars answer we not only improve ours, but

also

others freedom and security at minimum cost, right?



Simple answer, stop supporting Israel, Isn't that what its all about.

You seriously need to read a bit deeper than USA Today summaries.
I am not Jewish and have no stake in this game, but here's just a few
facts that may help clue you up a bit:

1) In the entire history of modern Israel, less than 100,000 people
have been killed in total on both sides of the war. During the same
period over 3 *million* Muslims have killed each other in the same region.
Israel isn't the problem - Islamic fundamentalist nonsense and perhaps
equally significantly, Arab Tribalism, is the problem.

2) The Muslim nations of North Africa and the Arab Penninsula have *500* times
the land Israel does and _all_ the oil, but somehow the little 20-odd
mile strip of land the Jews occupy is the Big Problem. Right.

3) Israel is far from a perfect democracy, but compared to every single
one of their immediate neighbors and larger sphere of enemies, they
are the Thomas Jefferson of the region. The surrounding states
are run by thugs, strongmen, and religious nuts. Israel is a secular
state with an elected (and contentious/vocal) ruling body. Even
Palestinian Arabs who are not full participants in that process
have _more civil liberties_ under the Israelis than they did when
the Arabs (Jordan) last had the disputed lands under their control.

4) The US does indeed send a boatload of money to Israel. 'Last I looked
it was around $3.6B in about 1996 iirc. BUT, in that same year, over
$3B was given to ... (gasp!) the ARABs in the region. Not exactly
the identical amount but a lot closer than most folks seem to think.

5) I'm all for us withdrawing from the region and letting the locals
duke it out for themselves, but, uh, the _Arabs_ cannot afford for us
to do so. The US is the only moderating hand that keeps the Israelis
from once-and-for-all cleaning up the mess the Arab thug goverments
have created and making Hebrew the language of choice from Tehran down
to Yemen.

You seem not to grasp just how entirely screwed up the Arab/Muslim world
is. It is living in the 8th Century and led by disreputable criminals
almost without exception. Israel's modern existence is nothing more than
an excuse to divert "The Faithful's" attention from the misery inflicted
by their own leaders. I'm no fan of some of the Israeli missteps and
silliness, but you never see Jewish mom's strapping C4 to their children
to make a political point. You see active and vocal political debate
in Israel, from Religious Right to Moonbat Left. You see wealth being
created literally out of sand. You see women and people of other
religious faiths (including Islam) accorded civil liberties and the
protections of rule-of-law. You see modern universities, commerce,
trade, and tourism. You see virtually NONE of these things on any scale
of the surrounding Arab states with the emerging exceptions of perhaps
Jordan, Quatar, and Kuwait.

Golda Mier said it better than anyone else I've ever read on either side
of the discussion: "There will never be peace until the Arabs learn to
love their own children more than they hate the Jews."



A half page article in the Atlanta Journal by Kenneth Quinn yesterday 9-11
was supposed to occur on 9/18 , Rosh Hashannah [jewish new year] but had to
be rescheduled....



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