I'm sorry but there is an obvious lack of knowledge about assault
weapons below. The "assault weapons ban is on semi-automatic weapons,
typically in .223 caliber. The muzzle energy of that cartridge is
about 1200 ft lbs. The energy from a 12 gauge rifled slug in a shotgun
is 2745 ft lb, or 2.3 times that of the assault weapon. Do you feel
that shotguns should be banned as well? They are also semi-automatic
weapons. Kerry's Bill (1431) would do that. Full automatic weapons
were banned in 1934, and that ban is not affected by the end of the
current ban. I agree with Bush. He defends the right of the individual
to keep and bear arms. I disagree with Kerry, who has indicated that
he wants to distroy the 2nd Amendment. For example, he was one of only
15 Senators to oppose final passage of the Firearms Owners` Protection
Act. His votes on that act indicated that if Kerry had his way, gun
owners would have to register to purchase .22 rimfire ammunition, and
would be subject to a 10-year prison sentence for selling a gun to a
friend or family member.
Kerry voted to eliminate the Department of Civilian Marksmanship.
Kerry voted to hold gun owners responsible if their firearms were
stolen and misused.
Kerry voted repeatedly to ban gun shows.
Kerry voted to strip federal bankruptcy protections away from the gun
industry.
Kerry voted to "commend" the so-called Million Mom March-- the crowd
that was demanding gun registration.
Kerry voted to charge an unlimited gun tax on firearm purchasers.

On the votes that the anti-gun groups, the Brady Campaign to Prevent
Gun Violence, the American Bar Association--Special Committee on Gun
Violence, and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, considered to be the
most important in 2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position
100 percent of the time.

I hope I didn't disrup the thought process below, but I felt that the
record needed to be set straight.

Gunner wrote in message . ..


On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:31:40 +1200, Helmut wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:24:41 GMT, Adam Smith wrote:


Adam, don't you realize that a well aimed shot from a muzzle loader
can be equally as effective as the fire power of any semi-automatic
weapon. (The problem is is that relatively few people today are
excellent marksmen.)

Yes, I can't argue with that, the stopping power of the large caliber
muzzle loaders was impressive to say the least. What they lacked in
muzzle velocity they certainly made up with in projectile mass. But
these weapons differ considerably from modern assault weapons in their
repeat rate. Muzzle loaders can get you what, like 3 rounds a minute if
you're good under pressure? I think the discrepancy is great even before
you consider that people can modify their semi-auto weapons for full
auto. But this is all a moot point when you consider my opinion on your
next question below.

Then too, the Framers of the Constition believed that the real risks
stemmed from a government that had abandoned the will of the people
and became too powerful.

Ask yourself this question: What weapons are in use by the government
forces today, and what weapons would be required today to neutralize
this advantage?

150 years ago, I would have agreed with you. But with the present
capacity of the US military, "too powerful" has already happened, and
this argument has become a red herring, a way for gun fanatics to get
combat weapons for other purposes. The big issue here that of INTENT. Do
the majority of assault weapon owners have their weapons for the sole
purpose of being ready to challenge the government with their militia,
or are they just fans of big guns? Be honest, what do you really see
happening here? When a person chooses to identify himself to the world
as a gun owner first and foremost (e.g. by calling himself "Gunner"), I
*seriously* doubt his intent to uphold the true meaning of the 2nd
amendment.

-Adam

DANGER! DANGER! DANGER!

......................
Adam..a hint. My nym is short for Gunner Asch. While you may be a man
of the world..it may behoove you to ease off the self rightiousness a
smidge as you look very very silly at this moment. Btw..I suggest you
google on Gunner Asch. Read the three books. .................
................................................ .................
The big issue Adam..............................

Gunner

The big issue is that Gunner Asch never forced off-topic political crap
in an inappropriate newsgroup. Perhaps unlike Gunner Asch, you can't
foot
it in the appropriate forum?

As I recall..Herbert was not much on decorum or the Proper way to do
things.

Also as usual, when posing as an expert, you come up short, not having
read all the books...

Yawn.

Gunner

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except
in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism
proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is
merely the difference between murder and suicide."
- Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main
Weapons"