On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:02:38 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 03/06/2021 10:10, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 22:33:46 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

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I could ... but only when everyone 'else' applies / abides to the
netettiquite etc. That's only fair isn't it?

There are few others that appear to have a similar level of "on message"
dedication to a cause... the only ones that spring to mind are peeler in
his obsession with speed, and normen knobend and his anonymous mate who
have a similar zeal for posting anti-semetic rants (if that is indeed
what they are - its hard to make much sense of them and I am long past
caring).

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OK. Bottom line.

[snip same stuff repeated so 'kin frequently]

In the hope you might get the point (at least).

So, how about this, get everone to agree to mark any not directly
related to DIY post with an OT (and jump on them when they don't) and
get everone to only drift any topic to things you consider acceptable
(or you will jump on them) and all your problems will be resolved and
you will be seen to being fair, reasonable and consistent. ;-)

As previously mentioned, in this group most people don't have a problem
with thread drift, or a fair amount of off topic chatter on a wide range
of topics - it's one of things (IMHO) that makes this group an
interesting place to hang out.

Agreed, depending on your reasons for being here in the first place.

The thing you seem to be having difficulty grasping is that thread drift
and "off topic" chatter is just that - it's variable and the topics
under discussion change.

Nope, I 'get it' perfectly.

It goes where the conversation takes it.

Of course.

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You need to accept that not everyone sees things the way you do, and
likely never will.

I 'need' to do that do I? Like I didn't consider it to be the case
already?

I'm not trying to prove black is white, I'm trying to get (mostly)
intelligent people to consider there is another side (and a life and
death cost) to their choices, and potentially not just to innocent
creatures but us.

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ISTM that if you continue, you will find that there is an ever
diminishing set of people reading *any* of your posts, which would be a
shame IMHO.

Like I said, you have the power, you have the big off button and I
don't (/can't of course) force anyone to read anything.

More importantly, there is no obligation what so ever for any one to
*reply* to what I type, even if they do actually read it and what
people are mostly upset by is the level of conversation on this
subject.

Now, if you don't want to consider the content (because there in no
flexibility to your thoughts / lifestyle) and don't read it how will
you know if there is something you hadn't considered that might make
you change your mind?

Given how little actual DIY chatter there is on here at the moment and
many of us are still under a level of lockdown, I really can't see how
difficult it can be to skip anything anyone types if you aren't
interested in it.

I don't run a killfile and have no issue dealing with (all be it
ignoring, reading but not replying or replying) to *everone* who posts
here and generally only reply if I can help, feel I have something to
add (similar story etc) or see it as something that could (or is
already) impact all of us.

I wonder if the reason that some seem to be more affected by what I
say (on animal rights) than all sorts of other and often disgusting /
racist / misogynistic stuff, because it hits a nerve? I know it did
with me in the past and I now regret not *actually* listening sooner.

Had you asked me five years ago if I was likely to stop being part of
the animal / human issue and I would probably have said 'unlikely'.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Why ARE you reading this thread and what part of 'Climate
Problem' do you think doesn't include livestock?

If you concede livestock are as much a part of any MM climate change
as aviation, why didn't you just reply to those facets of the
conversation, rather than any discussion on the justification of the
presence of livestock?

Thread drift can work both ways you know?