Fredxx wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Fredxx wrote
T i m wrote
Robin wrote
Your enthusiasm for recognising in law that [some] animals are
sentient is surprising.
I guessed it might be to some.
That was already in law that applied here until very
recently.
And you think that was what it was all about?
Article 13 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European
Union :
"In formulating and implementing the Union's agriculture, fisheries,
transport, internal market, research and technological development and
space policies, the Union and the Member States shall, since animals
are
sentient beings, pay full regard to the welfare requirements of
animals€¦"
?
Robin, there is more to news (or any coverage / exposure) than the
direct / specific information that may appear to being presented.
eg, An article on some change / strengthening of a rule re the
treatment of animals is yet another opportunity to get the *plight* of
animals and how we treat / exploit them into peoples minds.
You might only focus on the detail but it's the 'bigger picture' we
need people to consider.
If you had watched Countryfile this Sunday it showed how 'Farmers are
going to have to change (and adapt)' as people further recognise what
we / they are currently doing is polluting our rivers and waterways,
is not sustainable and devastating habitat and the environment. They
overviewed a farm and how it was trying to evolve (ironically by
returning to 'older' farming methods) and it made me smile when they
stated 'the first thing they did is get rid of the dairy'.
I was also pleased when 'tim...' (I think) posted this link recently
(trying to use it to make a case but actually supporting mine as it's
basically what I have been saying all along ...):
https://www.theguardian.com/business...t-debut-public
I support most of it but the last bit nails one of the comments the
trolls keep on rolling out (like it matters).
€śThats a seamless transition for the consumer and thats what the
third generation of producers are doing. Manufacturing technology has
played a large part. Now we have a convergence that fulfill the
promise of great taste and texture for consumers.€ť
Ultimately, Malek believes, we may begin to detach from the need for
plant-based protein to resemble meat products. But now its still
early days and consumers still want something that they already know.
There are reasons for the attachment, namely the simple fact that meat
and/or meat products consumption is required as part of a natural
balanced diet.
€śYou cant make them jump across two axes, simultaneously, switching
ingredients and switching flavor. Eventually well get to a place
where products dont need to resemble chicken or beef or lamb. They
will simply be delicious and plant-based.€ť
Which exactly what we (here) are already doing where tonight I did 'a
burger' with salad, hash browns and 5 beans and we both enjoyed it and
'missed' nothing (especially the bits of bone, eyeballs and arsesoles
and the guilt of causing suffering and death of an innocent sentient
creature for 'no reason').
You're welcome to eat your diet.
But not the sort of diet you would impose on a child if you wanted
normal brain development.
What is normal brain development though.
Given children with a vegan diet have an IQ 10 points or more less than a
vegetarians
That might be because only the most stupid are vegans :-(
says sufficient.
Nope.
Would you say Donald Trump had normal brain development ?
Good question. It takes a certain type of brain to become president.
Yes, but its less clear that some like say
Ike didnt have normal brain development.
Normal, given his childhood and being shipped off to a boarding school at
a young age
It was at 13, thats not a young age for boarding school.
must have taken it's toll.
More likely he was shipped off to that military school because
he was already ****ed in the head. His siblings werent.
I also don't think it's a good idea to feed babies and young kids fast
food.
Agreed.
It doesnt appear to have done a mates kid any harm. He
refuses to eat what his chinese mother cooks for him. Now 7
As yet we don;t really know what short or long term effects differnt
diets have on children
That's not entirely true. A link I gave a while ago compared children with
different diets.
Yep.
It would be prudent to carry out more studies. But you won't get any
funding from vegan groups because they know the answer.
but we do know that many differant cultures have survived for 1000s of
years that are both vegitarian based and meat based, fish based , but as
yet no results on fast food based.
Yes, but it's perhaps not a coincidence that meat based western world have
progressed fastest.
Thats pretty iffy given that the eskimos and australian
abos who used to eat almost nothing but meat didnt.
Although I do find it scary what's happened in america with large fat
wobbly people
That is down to the low cost of food and its availability.
And how calorie loaded so much of it is.
You dont see that in Japan for example.
I would add VAT to foodstuffs, especially high energy density food in much
the same way the sugar tax works.
No evidence that a sugar tax works.
claiming that God will protect them against covid and there they are
shouting USA USA brandishing a gun that the terminnator would use for
self defense because God won't protect them. Not sure if that is classed
as normal brain development or what is normal behaviour.
I no longer understand Americans
Many never did. Japs in spades.
and what they stand for. Gun laws are a good example. Thank god we don't
have a constitution.
Almost everyone else does and it didnt stop us
banning some guns. The problem is their 2nd
amendment. Tho its understandable why they had
that given what it took to get your jackboot off
their throats.
We also had a militia and it wasnt at all uncommon to
see school cadets taking 303s home on public transport.
The used Vickers machine guns on the range too. Bit
too heavy to take home on the train or tram tho.