On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:03:52 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/05/2021 23:40, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:14:07 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

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Hopefully good news (and there will be plenty of more of that to
come).

Why?

Because it seems it's the only way we can get some people to stop
causing animals to suffer and die unnecessarily?

It still makes no sense.

Ok ...

I would expect the vast majority who eat animals already realise that
they are sentient beings.

Do they? How many here for example consider them 'just meat' and only
pay a lip service to the welfare? They can't give up 'meat', not they
want to stop killing animals?

Which is why the vast majority of people who
eat animals want to see that they cared for and treated humanely while
alive,

I don't believe they do,
and that is the thrust of your problem. You don't understand that
someone can decide to breed animals for food. Insist that they are well
fed, cared for, and protected from harm, and not mistreated during life,
before they are humanely killed and consumed (or their eggs/milk/wool
used).

My vegitarian and vegan friends don;t really have a problem with that
they'd prefer that animals weren't used in such away but accept that
people do eat meat. it is possible to live on a diet without meat,
just as it's possible to have a diet without alcohol. Some cultures do,
and have been form 1000s of years and for some it's healtheir.
It's quite easy to research this.
But when ****ed out and about a kebab is almost essentail to the diet.





You appear to believe that this is some kind weird act of mental
compartmentalisation that no one in their right mind would
understandingly enter into.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is precisely what does happen. We
learn and understand where animal products come from, and then many
(most) consciously make a decision that in spite of the less agreeable
aspects, there is a nett benefit, while some decide that vegi is the way
for them.

It does depend on the individuals education too and those around them.

The really thick like D. Drump believe McDs and the like are clean healthy options
and he won't eat much else and he is a very stable genius and who else has a beauty queen as a wife
that proves it ;-)


that do not want to
die. It's the ultimate mistreatment, *death*.

Who wants to live forever .

Mother nature will do far worse in many cases. They still die but live a
life of torture and suffering along the way, before a lingering death.

Not usually. If it were the case they'd had died out over time.

most of the rest snipped due to childishness on both sides without any real evidence presented.