On 11 May 2021 17:24:52 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:
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How are you defining 'natural'?

On the production side, I don't see anything natural in what we do to cows,
however well they're kept.

You mean in the same way that there's nothing natural about ants keeping
aphids?

Do ants do what we do yo cows then? Take their newborns and shoot them
in the head then cut their throats? They genetically select them over
the years to make them produce 10x more milk than they would
*naturally*, then shoot them in the head and cut their throats a third
of the way though their natural lives? They give them antibiotics
because the exploitation of their teats gives them mastitis?

Are we *just* like ants?

And whilst it appears you only have the rationality of an ant and
certainly have a lower EQ than one, you seem to think we should all be
like you in your desire to justify your exploitation of cows for the
growth fluid that was never meant for us, but their own calves (and
*only* their calves)?

But I get it. We have done this sort of things for many thousand years
and you have obviously been doing it all your life and being as old
and 'set in your ways' as you are, 'of course' the chances are you are
going to have difficulty changing what you have been indoctrinated and
conditioned to consider 'perfectly normal', even when there is no
*need* and so it then becomes far from normal.

What we eat and drink is very much part of our identity and we have
*******ised the *need* to survive with the *choice* to indulge
ourselves and that often includes doing to at the cost (emotional and
physical) of innocent sentient creatures. It has become normalised to
you when in 2021, it's *far* from a normal action for a supposedly
intellectually superior and compassionate (what is supposed to set us
*above* most of the other animals) being.

But it doesn't matter if you like, agree or unwilling to accept any of
this, it *is* the way it's going and will continue to do so at an ever
increasing pace.

So, if you had to continue to drink cows milk, which of the following
would you be happy to do for it ...?

1) Jack off a bull to collect the semen?

2) Shove your arm up a cows arse to manipulate her cervix before
injecting the bull stolen semen?

3) Shoot her newborn calf in the head before cutting his throat?

4) Force her to produce 10x the level of milk she would to support her
own calf / calves for her whole life.

5) Shoot her in the head when she is no longer able to produce the
sufficiently high level of exploitation, then cut her throat ... then
shoot the unborn calf in the head and cut it's throat that falls out
of her as she's cut open.

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Cheers, T i m