On 07/05/2021 18:15, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 14:39:02 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 07/05/2021 09:56, RJH wrote:


I wonder when we'll* stop obsessing about price and think about wider costs
like animal welfare, sustainable farming and working conditions? Barely a
mention in this thread - just money.

But sticking a label on something saying vegan or organic often doesn't
mean those products are any better for animal welfare

In general, 'vegan; does. Organic means little (as the animals are
still killed against their will).

Death is a natural event for all animals.

or sustainable
farming,

All science mate.

or for climate change with all the food miles they travel.

Of course, but moving animals 1000 miles means it has to be done with
them alive ... or dead and typically frozen, moving most veg require
neither.

But food miles is a different discussion to the one of causing
unnecessary suffering, exploitation and death to animals.

Death is a certainty, pain and suffering are optional. Shame you don't
care about animal welfare while the animal is alive.

Animals == food (for a natural, balanced diet).