On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:46:21 +0100, Fredxx
wrote:

On 26/04/2021 09:45, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:45:22 +0100, Fredxx
wrote:

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Add high levels of protein, zinc, iron, vitamin B12 and omega-3 fatty
acids and you have the holy grail of nutrition right there.

(things you can get without causing pain and suffering to an animal).

Of course, through improvements in animal welfare.

Ah, back to only raping your wife once a month rather than once a
week, or giving you slave fresh water rather than making them drink
out of a pond. Well done you, I'm sure they would both consider you
are real caring guy for doing that.

You really have lost it. Get help and visit your doctor, ask for
counselling.

For what, I'm not the one labouring under some BS idea of what
improving welfare actually means.

But you won't support
or endorse these campaigns.

Over and above stopping the entire unnecessary commodification of
animals, no. But who says (apart from you of course as you make most
stuff up) that I don't?

This is the crux of your issue.

https://ibb.co/9Z1c6tZ

Quite, you have no empathy towards meat eaters,

Because they aren't the victims.

just pure envy so that
we might becomes vegans.

No, I hope you eat as much red meat as you can (please).

Except you're the worst advert of veganism.

And you are a better one, treating your slaves to lighter chains to
'improve their welfare?

We know you are confused / torn. You want to stop everyone eating Foie
gras but are happy for them to eat chickens that have been fed such
high protein foods that their legs break unable to carry their own
weight. The penny will drop with you eventually.

We?

Sorry 'you', I'm not the one trying to farce everone to stop eating
Foie gras.

You are a narcissist if you believe you know how I think.

Nope. I only need to be an ordinary person to read you like a (sick /
sad) book.

I am not
confused or torn.

Of course you are or you wouldn't be trying to stop people eating
Foie gras whilst happily eating chicken.

Any fanatical vegan giving meat to their dog will be
confused/torn.

It is an issue for sure.

Ethical veganism is where keeping pets and feeding them meat is a
contradistinction their to beliefs.

Agreed.

But then you're a fanatical vegan
driven by envy we're allowed to eat meat and you're not,

Complete and utter lies and BS, a complete and utter fabrication
because you are desperate. Every time you repeat your made up story
displays your increasing desperation.

yet happy to
keep a pet

We don't have a pet.

and feed it meat.

Not 'happy' to do that (obviously) but until the owner can be sure of
it getting a balanced diet, it will continue to be fed some.

Piglets have their tails (and teeth) cut off with no anaesthetic, what
do you think of that. What are you doing about that. What can you do
about that (easily)?

How many pain killers were given When your dogs came around from their
anaesthetic after their genitals were mutilated?

A weeks worth typically but see how you avoid the point that's
happening thousands of times a day, every day.

So:

"Piglets have their tails (and teeth) cut off with no anaesthetic,
what do you think of that. What are you doing about that. What can you
do about that (easily)?"

Lambs / goats have their horn stubs burned off. What are you doing
about that? How many petitions have you signed. What was the outcome?

If you want pigs to have a local anaesthetic prior to their tails being
docked then campaign for this.

Why do they need to be cut off in the first place is *actually* the
point?

If you don't care then don't.

No, I know a better way to avoid all that ...

Etc etc.

Quite:

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The bits you weren't able to provide a counter argument.

No, the bits that are such crazy / circular BS that they don't deserve
any consideration whatsoever.

I don't need to provide any counter argument because I'm not the one
advocating causing animals to suffer and die.

Ok, I don't want to have animals killed or made to suffer in my name
so do what I can to avoid that.

You (obviously) don't care if animals suffer and die in your name but
seem to be very sensitive to that statement of fact, and therefore,
desperately try to justify it with all sorts of distraction techniques
(talking about mutilating animals, even though they then go on to live
long and happy lives, not killed when very young like all the animals
you (don't) care about?

Once you have dug yourself into that rabbit hole, you then lash out
with all sort of accusations that you have no was of justifying (like
my B12 levels, even though I've stated we were both recently tested
and the levels were 'normal') and you can't do the same. Instead you
use the *assumption* that because you eat meat, you *will* be getting
sufficient B12 when it's known that 40% of the population (inc meat
eaters) are B12 deficient?

So 99% of what you come out with is unquestionably lies and BS and you
do that because you have NOTHING better.

Just admit (again) that you are above all animals, therefore it's ok
to kill and exploit them and we can be done with it (and why I don't
understand why you are so desperate to argue with me when you know you
have the lower physical (and moral of course, not that you have any
morals) ground. eg, You kill animals, I don't.

Cheers, T i m