On 26/04/2021 10:35, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:21:26 +0100, Chris Green wrote:
T i m wrote:
4) Or you don't heat (or store) meat properly and it gives you food
poisoning.
5) You don't wash your hands or food surfaces properly after handling
raw meat and it gives you food poisoning.
These things are hardly unique to meat products. Botulism is lethal
and happens with vegetables
Of course, but how 'often' is such a thing a risk compared with say
poor handling and hygiene around handling uncooked chicken?
- so maybe we shouldn't eat vegetables
either?
I can't remember all the health / nutrition / environmental bodies
recommending that?
we keep being told to wash fruit and veg before consumption.
6) Few would eat meat if they had to kill it themselves. This is
because it's 'out of sight, out of mind' (often in a window less
building in the middle of nowhere) and years of conditioning and not
aligning their actions with their morals. They provide safe passage
for a hedgehog but then eat a rabbit (unless you are Tyson Fury).
You don't clear the sewers out, you don't man the refuse lorry - there
are hundreds and thousands of things we don't do ourselves and depend
on others to do.
How many of those other jobs take lives though?
The only one I can think of is an executioner.
It doesn't necessarily mean those things we don't do
are inherently bad.
No, but if you don't believe the unnecessary consumption /
exploitation of animals is our right (and I don't of course), a better
comparison of similar job roles to abattoir worker would be POW camp
executioner or a driver in 'Death Race 2000'. ;-)
You are welcome to your beliefs. If you want us to follow your lead then
don't show yourself as a fanatic that nobody in their right mind would
want to imitate.
And can you please explain ... if the routine killing of animals was
'perfectly ok', why do many abattoir workers (and vets associated with
that field) suffer with a form of PTSD? Why do livestock farmers
(even) give up their jobs and give their livestock to a rescue rather
than having them slaughtered?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50986683
I couldn't work at heights. Some jobs aren't made for us.
We aren't just talking about what many might consider 'unsavoury'
jobs, (sewer cleaner etc), we are talking about jobs that are
considered to be partaking of immoral acts by an ever growing number
of people as humanity evolves and improves (often too late and too
long of burying their head in the sand, as with plastic pollution
etc).
Are you now criticising sex workers?
Even if we were to consider the sheer number of animals that die
necessary (eg. by people have been living as ethical vegans for many
(thousand) years) we are also likely to suffer from 'Psychic
numbing'.
We all become numb at some point following an event. Like the death of a
loved one. It is something you live with and accept. Of course some
can't move on and need help. They sometimes start a crusade and seen as
a pariah to those around them.
We see a dead fox by the side of the road and most people would be
upset (especially if it was not externally 'damaged'. We might be made
to feel sick if it's guts were hanging out (yet we buy and eat 'guts'
from the butcher?)).
We see a heap of 10 dead foxes by a hunt HQ and we might be *slightly*
more upset. We aren't 10x more upset.
We see a lorry with 10,000 fox fur pelts and we may not be upset at
all (vegans would of course because we understand the holocaust that
created such).
The same things applied to the Nazi death camps (assuming the guards
could cope themselves and why they invented the gas chambers of
course) and is happening with Corona virus:
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-de...bf8fe07d9.html
Bringing up that old chestnut is the very definition of a failed argument:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law