On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:48:32 +0100, Robin wrote:

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You first stated baldly "We don't need to eat animals...".

Correct, as ever old vegan proves.

You then
state "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is
possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation ".

I did, well done.

And go on to
admit that you would accept in some cases treatment that exploits animals.

So what part of that paragraph didn't you get Robin (apart from all of
it by the sound of it)?

That indicates your acceptance that there are circumstances where it is,
as a matter of personal choice, /reasonable/ to exploit animals.

I said 'yes' but *depending* on what the animal had to suffer on my
behalf.

So you
accept that there are no absolutes:

Ah, no, I see you are confusing me with a left brainer. *OF COURSE*
there are no absolutes, that's what "as far as is possible and
practicable' means?

different people may make different
choices.

Of course, as long as it's under the general guide of "as far as is
possible and practicable".

So, no one needs to use bear bile, or force feed ducks, or cut sharks
fins off and throw them back alive to drown, or suckle from a cow
after denying it's offspring both it's milk and life and you can work
your way down to keeping pets from there.

PS
I commend to you Gower's "Plain Words". It helped me make the
transition from 6 years in which I wrote only one essay (and that just
for the easy prize money) to 30 years where words ruled.

Sorry mate, that made little sense to me (or were trying to prove a
point). ;-)

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/184/184520/plain-words/9780241960349.html

See, maybe the issue here is not (wholly) with this author but the
ability for some to comprehend people who *aren't* writing bots.

Lots of writing requires some lateral thinking by the reader, both to
obtain say a 'hidden' meaning, or to spot sarcasm (something the likes
of the Fredxx troll fails on over and over), things that are often
lost if you have to signpost everything for the left brainers.

FWIW, I don't like reading (manuals especially), I find it slow,
boring and (therefore) rarely learn anything from it.

For me the saying should be:

"What you see, you forget (if it's written); what you hear, you
remember; what you do, you understand.

'Of course', if I *have* to read the instructions to do something or a
timetable for a train I will, do and can, but I wouldn't read a book
about say 'Shipping over the years' over a documentary / film on the
same subject.

I have read (books, not newspapers, unless I didn't have a book and
found one on the train), much preferring to have conversations with
people. So reading is something I'll only typically do when there is
absolutely nothing else, like in a hospital waiting room (that has no
TV or someone to talk to).

The Mrs loves reading and has a good few hundred on her Kindle (she
keeps the 'read' one in a 'Read' folder to remind her what ones she
has already read as you don't see the cover regularly like you might
with a paper book).

Cheers, T i m