On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:42:12 +0000, Fredxx
wrote:

On 26/03/2021 16:42, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:56:32 +0000, Fredxx
wrote:
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Basically it's a Home Automation system running on a Raspberry Pi
where 'logging' of events is very much part of the requirement for
many. You can see the long term history of any sensors you have,
switches you control or activity in or around the home from PIR's etc.
To have any of that the *default* setting is logging on.

How important are these logs?

To those who consider them important, very?

Why do you consider them important?

Because they were a core part of my running HA.

What do you do with them?

Learn what's going on and adjust other things based on that
information.

Do you
think are maybe attaching too much importance to these?

Do you think you have any right to question what I consider
'important'.

Is there a need to know which piece of kit
was on or off?

For those interested in such things, yes. For some it's actually the
whole point of running HA over a straight timer etc.

I have a dehumidifier on a smart / energy monitoring socket and that
allows me to do several things.

Is the RPi monitoring the smart socket?

No, Home Assistant is monitoring the smart socket and that's running
on the RPi. Why don't you do yourself a favour and check out some Home
Assistant videos on Youtube?

Externally switch the unit based on the output of a remote humidity
sensor and time.

To be able to 'see' how often when it was being called for (to
dehumidify the room) it was on and dehumidifying (~175W), the fan on
but not dehumidifying but defrosting itself (45W), or on but not
running because the 'Tank full' interlock was active (1W). I can then
create a rule / automation that sends me a notification when the tank
is full and by determining how often it's on but defrosting itself, if
I need to raise the temperature in that room (that I can also do
remotely / interactively / automagically).

'You can manage what you can measure'.

Some might say that is intrusive.

Only those not installing that system for themselves.

Ok

But if you don't know why
then please simply admit it

See how much of a **** you look again, given how 'simple' the *need*
for persistence in the FS is the default / normal option?

Sorry if I'm a **** who thinks looking at logs is intrusive.

Good.

Just
because the logs wouldn't survive a power cycle only mean that minimal
logs are actually lost.

By minimal you mean say 2 years activity across potentially 10's of
devices?

That's my point. It would be straightforward to copy the logs onto your
NAS server, so any outage would be minimal between backups.

*I* (potentially) could because I happen to have a NAS but why should
I when I can keep them integral with the host system (where they can
be easily accessed and displayed graphically)?

You could always periodically back them up to a
NAS server, for that case when the SD card goes down too.

You could (and should, if the history is valuable / relevant etc) but
not the point.

So you don't take backups?

I take 'snapshots' and back them up manually.

What's the point in storing 2 years of
activity on an SD card when you know it will fail every ~18 months?

Because I don't intend to run HA on the RPi for that long because of
the weakness of running on an uSD card. I already have a development
system running on a fanless Shuttle PC that I was planning to migrate
everything onto, if I don't invest in an Odroid N2+ (which is highly
likely as the Shuttle would make a better TVHeadend host).

and put everyone out of their misery rather
than this endless procrastination.

Again, it's really interesting when trying to see things though your
eyes. When you really don't have a true grasp of what's going on with
other people, what they might actually know or think. Your questions,
actions, assumptions and responses are often very naive, childlike in
fact.

I presume this is because of your initial reluctance to answer.

Yes. It *obviously* wasn't because I didn't know why I wanted what
I've already got and how it got there. So my 'reluctance' to answer
was because you historically appear to take any RW notice and just
continue with the same old.

RW?

Real World.

But here is one of hundreds of answers to another of your accusations
that you could have easily looked up yourself Google boy.

https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-a...ood-every-day/

So not trillions then, like you claimed.

Erm, I'm not sure any issues you have with reading, comprehension or
attention didn't get you as far as the second paragraph but I see it
says:

"Anywhere between 37 and 120 billion fish are killed on commercial
farms each year, with *another trillion* fish caught and killed in the
wild."

I guess I don't attribute fish as being animals in the same way many
vegetarians are in reality pescatarians.

Maybe not, but again can you see that would be your fault not mine?

Whatever you try to put forward as an excuse for *ignoring* one of the
creates treated so badly they are typically measured by weight not
number but they still very much count individually in the whole gambit
of the way we currently treat these individual and often sentient
creatures, merely as commodities.

You are correct of course fish
are technically animals,

Why thank you?

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Why snip the part amoebas are animals too. Is that fact really too hard
to swallow?

Because the importance of our treatment of them also involves their
level of sentience.

You were trying to *tell* me what I should do.

No I was correcting you.

OK, let's break this down in the actual steps and not get bogged down
with the detail (that you are still using as a strawman).

1) I made an in-context mid-discussion factual statement about uSD
cards being a weakness in RPi's used to run HA. That statement was
100% factually and technically true and was further signposted by
comparisons with officially supported (and even better recommended)
alternatives that *didn't* run the FS on a uSD card.

2) You jumped in and tried to inform me that I could increase the life
span by modifying how the RPi worked and removing all writes to the
uSD card, after installation.

3) I knew at that point that wouldn't be a viable solution for me (or
most people for that matter) running HA on a RPi.

We need to establish that you weren't aware of that facility.

No we don't ... as why would it be relevant to anything of anything
that was of no practical use to me or the system?

Know about it or not, it's use to me was worse than that of a
chocolate teapot and the value of your help was the exact same.

Now, had you come up with something that I'd never heard of and that
*was* some actual use to me or my HA system, that might be different,
had I bothered to read it etc.

Before you try to roll out any more strawmen, this whole issue
revolves around the FACT that you offered a solution that was of no
use to me whatsoever. You did so because you were ignorant of HA and
how it might typically be used. I'm not requesting you apologise for
trying to help (although I question why you would, considering) but
that you insisted that it was a workable solution for me (it certainly
isn't) or (as it happens), the vast majority of HA users, running
their systems on a RPi'. One of the most common 'solutions' to the SD
wear issue is to simply re-image the system onto a new uSD card every
so often.

4) You then continued to not only insist, but accuse me that I didn't
know about anything, completely missing the bigger picture.

I know you weren't aware of the facility, there was no accusation.

See above.

5) You then continued to dig yourself further and further into the
hole till you realised where you made the first mistake and therefore
where you went wrong.

Yes, I was wrong to point out, "You do realise that the RPi can load
from SD card and then no more writes. So no writing at all once the
image is loaded onto the card"

No, you weren't wrong to 'point it out', but more your 'pointing it
out' was pointless for the std usage (and mine as it happens) of HA on
a RPi. You were very wrong to 1) insist I used that solution and 2)
accuse me of knot being aware of the use of ram to simulate more
persistent storage. I have been using that concept on computers for
years.

so and improve, however reluctantly, your
knowledge of the RPi.

Again, you are assuming I have any interest in learning about things
that are unlikely to be of any use to me (specifically on any given
device).

6) What you still haven't done (and now unlikely to do, because you
are a left brainer etc) is unconditionally apologise for all the abuse
and name calling over something *you* got wrong because *you* made
assumptions about the whole setup.

Ah, abuse, the signs of another lost argument.

So you keep saying, yet it doesn't seem to stop you doing it yourself?
Or is it that you can't see when your doing it and so that doesn't
count?

And I apologised for correcting your general
statement which was "Ah, just remembered, I think the RPi is not
considered the best choice for a serious / long term system is that it
runs on an SD and that's not good for long term writes?". I wasn't
telling you to do anything, just point out the incorrect statement.

No you didn't apologise like that, you *always* included the 'you
preferred usage' thing when in fact it's the *default* usage. You
can't set the rules for how other people choose to use / do things.

I don't understand, all I did was point out the fallacy of, "Ah, just
remembered, I think the RPi is not considered the best choice for a
serious / long term system is that it runs on an SD and that's not good
for long term writes?"

Yes, you keep repeating that in the hope that if you do it enough it
will suddenly gain a greater value but it won't.

For running HA on a RPi, with all the stock facilities, you HAVE TO
HAVE persistence and so your suggestion that anything else was even
acceptable is the fallacy.

*Can* HA be run on a RPi without persistence? Yes, but with many may
shortcomings and certainly none that would be acceptable to me.

I was *informing* you what sort of number of animals are killed every
year by humans, a figure I had no personal way of verifying so quoted
as a general number taken from various sources.

I don't suppose you can see the difference between those two things
eh?

Does that mean when you says "trillions" and in reality it is 1 or less,

No, because I have seen several mentions of numbers over 2 trillion,
including all the animals used for non consumption.

made predominantly from fishing, does that mean you feel you shouldn't
apologies for a misleading claim?

Of course not because the 'spirit' of my 'claim' was 'the massively
large number', even in comparison with the global population of
humans. Once again you *chose* (consciously or otherwise) to focus on
the exact number, not the enormity of the number of animals that die
in general.

Would you include the disinfection of amoebas from your drinking water?

Nope.

Historically your posts have been about sentient animals, fish are on
the border line here, would you include prawns to be sentient? It's a
genuine question.

Do they make decisions re what they do based on their surroundings? If
they do then they probably have a level of sentience. But in any case,
if we were judging the right to life of all animals, they would
probably be well below cows and pigs etc.

Except you aren't actually interested in my answer to that are you, it
will be just another thing for you to try to argue about.

No argument.

You are funny.

Thank you, I do try and brighten up people's lives.

Well, I would say 'brighten' all the time. ;-)

I actually think we should and try to cut down on our meat
consumption,

You would only be going along with the vast majority of expert advice
if you did.

Quite.

but when you come over the way you do as a fanatic,

Again, some people who had brains wired differently to yours might see
what you call 'fanatic' as being 'passionate' for the many many
(there, if I don't put a number in there you won't be able to try to
distract the point with more strawmen) innocent and sentient animals
who are subjected to unnecessary (because we don't *need* to exploit,
and kill, in many cases) treatment.

Is that an admission yours is wired differently up as a fanatic?

If I was admitting I was a fanatic, yes, but I'm not am I?

You fit the description perfectly, "a person filled with excessive and
single-minded zeal".

What, is that on just one subject? Pleased don't get confused even
between someone who is fanatical about things and a fanatic in the
general understanding of the word.

If the cap fits.............

I'm also very much into Home Assistant, noisy manhole covers,
motorbikes and boating but because none of them question your
lifestyle, you probably don't care about them.

You would equally call me a fanatic if I protested outside butchers,
or betting shops, or organised a troll hunt.

What if I was as passionate about stopping inequality to women or
against racism, would that be equally 'bad' in your view?

I don't go
to rally's, I don't protest outside abattoirs or fast food shops.

But you don't support campaigns to improve animal welfare either.

I do, but at a much more practical level than you.

The
only obvious motive is a jealousy of meat eaters, that we're allowed to
eat meat.

Ah, now we see you darker side taking control again where you make up
lies ad then believe them yourself? Is that what the voices in you
hear are telling you is the case? No, If I wanted to go and buy / eat
meat, *NO ONE* would / could stop me. I am not eating meat (eggs,
drinking milk) because that's what I have chosen to do.

We don't have to consume synthetic Turkies to please our loved
ones.

That's good, as nor do I.

I'm
just someone who has had their eyes opened to the horrors of what
often goes on behind closed doors and tries to get people to question
the same things themselves.

It is pointless unless you actually want to improve slaughterhouse
conditions or animal welfare.

I want to 'improve' both by removing the whole idea of seeing sentient
animals as if they are only food, *especially* we have the choice not
to.

Every question posed to you on this is
snipped and you refuse to answer.

I have answered it over and over and answered it for the final time
above.

Ok, which do you think is better, only raping your wife once a month
rather than once a week or not raping her at all? Answer that if you
dare.

If I was talking to a group of school
children on veganism I would use completely different techniques than
I would talking to a bunch of often old, often indoctrinated, 'I can
never change' stick-in-the-muds here. ;-)

Perhaps that is where you are going wrong here too?

Hey, you probably think you are an expert on that as well so you tell
me?

you
become an ugly advert for veganism.

Only because you personally can't 1) understand my passion and 2)
won't be 'told' that you can't eat meat or cause all sorts of animal
suffering with animal based products that we don't eat.

And a great incentive to eat meat.

Only to a child having a tantrum.

It could be that your not a good example as a vegan.

No, I'm a good example of a vegan (in how I do my best not to cause
any suffering, exploitation or death of animals)

That's a lie.

Nope, that's a fact mate.

You have never endorsed improvement in animal welfare,

Apart from it being the entire remit of vegans you mean, by not
breeding, exploiting and killing them when we don't need to? I really
don't know how you can offer more animal welfare than that?

the
slaughter or animals,

See above. That's EXACTLY what we advocate against.

or advocated the banning of domestic pets.

The first thing we deal with are the trillions of animals that die for
human pleasure, then we work our way don't to those we love, cherish
and protect and give the best and longest lives possible. You know,
not cutting their throats when they are very young, just because we
like how their flesh tastes (once we have rendered it into a format we
can handle and digest etc).

but I would never
suggest I was the best advocate for veganism, especially given the
audience here or the audience of long term / indoctrinated /
conditioned meat eaters in general.

Good, in fact I would say your approach is entirely counterproductive.

And you are entitled to your opinion. Now if you can do better (vegan
advocacy), please lead the way!

If the eating of meat is banned in say 100 years, it won't be down to
the likes of you and your fanatical approach on the subject.

I think you will find it will be down to all those who advocate in
that direction, *even* if in my case it's because I have reduced the
demand.

Try to suggest anyone stops doing
anything they like personally for the benefit of others and you are
likely to get pushback.

That depends on the approach.

Nope, it's perfectly natural for people to do that, given the option.
You can even insist they do something by law and it may not make them
do it (like wearing a seatbelt).

If you get push-back then you've lost much
of the argument.

Nope, you are often just seeing a natural initial response and then
the message will, or will or will not sink in over time. Eg, if
someone is a psychopath the chances are you will never be able to
explain to them why their actions aren't acceptable.

But then you don't know how many people have
been reading and thinking and who may even agree with me, but just
don't say it here or can't quite yet get round to making that final
step themselves?

I agree with the principle, I just don't want to end up like you an
embittered fanatic,

Or someone with a soul, with compassion, benevolence and empathy that
only want to cause animal less suffering, exploitation and death?

Outside of here, my normal level of vegan advocacy is what I do ITRW
practically.

desperate to eat real meat

The thought actually disgusts me, eating the flesh taken from a
sentient creature that didn't give it up freely and was never ours to
take in the first place.

(Even) You are likely to be equally disgusted by other peoples
treatment of animals, just your boundaries are only such that they
don't impact your personal pleasure.

and envious of those who
do.

Grow up FFS.

You are free to disagree with those qualities, but that is how you
come over.

Nope, it's how I come over to a childish troll that doesn't seem to
have a RW grasp of other humans.

Do I talk about veganism here because I want to make friends or think
I'm going to get an easy ride? Of course not, but I'm not the one who
is important here, it's the innocent animals that are killed by people
who in many cases, couldn't do so themselves and if you even made them
observe the process in person, would likely never eat meat again.

The issue is I accept the slaughter of animals as part of a natural
healthy diet.

But the way most livestock are bred, kept, fed and die is anything but
'natural'. If you want to carry on like some Neanderthal in 2021 I
guess that's your call (for now).

Farm animals don't understand the concept of innocence.

All animals value life and try to protect theirs (and often their
family / group) to the end.

Now, where is that apology you promised everyone you would give?

I thought I have apologised profusely enough.

Of course you did, because (again) your stubborn arrogance that won't
allow you to see or accept that your solution was completely and
utterly irrelevant for the typical use of HA on a RPI, and that was
because you *say* you *assumed* I was talking about RPi's in other
roles when it was *perfectly clear to everyone else* that I wasn't.

What arrogance, I was merely correcting your statement?

Your continued insistence that you were right and I was wrong for 1)
ignoring your good advice in general and 2) not running my RPi HA the
way you suggested?

I never said you were wrong, I just said, "You do realise that the RPi
can load from SD card and then no more writes. So no writing at all once
the image is loaded onto the card." Assuming you were ignorant on the
subject, and not 'wrong'.

But why would it matter if I knew about it or not, if it was something
that was no use to me?

There are loads of things I look at, consider to be a 'good idea' and
then completely discard / disregard, simply for the effort /
complication involved.

My development HA running on the Shuttle PC also runs on Hassio
(containerisation) and so I can run TVHeadend on the same box (Ubuntu
server). However, I would like the host OS and HA to run on a SSD (and
it currently is) but I'd like the video recording storage of TVH to be
on a conventional (laptop) HDD in the same box. However, I've learned
that causes issues as it involves accessing other hardware outside the
container and that's sorta frowned upon. So, alternatively I could run
everything from the conventional drive but then I don't get the speed
of the SSD.

So, I'm probably going to end up with HA running on eMMC on an Odroid
and leave the Shuttle with the host OS (Ubuntu server) running on an
M.2 drive with the video storage on a 2TB laptop spinning drive.


And the mere fact that you (may?) *still* think you were 'correcting
my statement' says it all. ;-(

I was, and I did. Get over it.

And still you never learn. You would only be 'correcting me' if it was
within in the context under discussion and the std usage of the
system. It wasn't so you weren't. QED.

It would be like me saying I'd torn the sleeve off my jacket and your
solution being I also amputate my arm to suit.

What have I done now?

Nothing it seems as I'm still waiting for your straight, honest and
unconditional apology for all the crap you have given me and accused
me of re my statement that an issue with running RPi's (as HA hosts,
as that was clearly the topic) long term can occur because of the
reliability of uSD cards, something that wouldn't be an issue (for the
same ease of use, fully supported, energy consumed, price and
performance) if run on an Odroid or even second user NUC.

I have accused you of:
1) Being a fanatic

Which I'm not, so that was a false accusation that ITRW you would
apologise for.

Ask others her. Make a post asking if you are a fanatic in respect of
pushing your vegan values.

And what do you think I'd get from whom? I could fill the chart in
here without asking so do you think that would prove anything?

Quote something off the net:

"I think if people replaced 'veganism' with 'kind to animals' they
would realise how they sound when they say ...

'Stop forcing kindness to animals on me'

'I could never be kind to animals, I love meat too much'.

'It's my right not to be kind to animals'.

'I'm just not ready to be kind to animals just yet - and that's ok'.

'No one else is kind to animal so why should I be?"

Now, if you think advocacy re 'being kind to animals' is bad or makes
someone a fanatic then you might need to check your moral compass.

2) Hypocrite in terms of incarcerating your pets.

BS when seen in the order of the bigger picture of the numbers of
animals we kill and eat, just for the pleasure they give via our
(conditioned) taste buds versus the giving a stray / rescued animal a
long, healthy and happy *FULL* life.

Should we keep pets in general? No, of course not, although the last
on the list to go would be dogs because they are now very much woven
in with humans and *CAN* live long and healthy lives on a well
balanced vegan diet (unlike cats etc), so wouldn't be part of the
overall animal consumption issue.

I see cognitive dissonance here.

This should be funny ... (in a sad watch the troll faceplant again
way).

If it wasn't for you , your poets
wouldn't have been subjected to genital mutilation for your pleasure.

Ok, if you really want to go there and think *ANYTHING* we have ever
done with / for our pets gets anywhere near as the disgusting /
cowardly way you treat innocent and sentient creatures for 5 mins of
taste then read on:

1) We have never 'bought' a pet from a pet shop or breeder.

2) We have only given long and happy lives to otherwise un homed /
unwanted animals and given them the best lives possible [1]

3) The rescues we get the animas from have normally neutered the
animals (under full surgery conditions and anaesthetic, not just in a
field or barn), to prevent them from:

a) medical problems in old age, something few livestock ever need to
worry about yet many still get neutered and

b) to stop them reproducing and so exasperating the problem and

c) stop people like you using them as breeding machines and exhausting
their reproductive systems till they are no 'use' and slaughtered
whilst still very young.

d) It's considered kinder than killing a perfectly healthy animal that
only exists because of man.

3) Feeding a dog meat free products

Which I've never done, so completely made up by you (and yet another
apology).

You feed your dogs meat?

Yup?

I'm shocked.

Of course you are ... considering how long you have spent lying that I
didn't?

Why?

Because we are still looking into what would constitute a 'balanced
vegan diet' for him.

Do you accept that's part of
their natural omnivorous diet?

Do I accept anything can for an omnivorous diet, of course. Are dogs
obligate carnivores like cats? No. Have the digestive systems of dogs
evolved to be able to process carbohydrates (unlike their wolf
ancestors) because of their connection with man and sharing their
scraps over thousands of years? Yes. Do you have to ensure that all
animals get the right balance of fibre, vitamins, protein and
nutrients for their species, body mass and lifestyle? Yes. Can a dog
live a long and healthy life on a well balanced vegan diet? Yes, and
many have / do.

Our (family) dog currently has about 40% top quality kibble, 40% veg
and 20% tinned meat and he eats it all up. I hadn't got some
cauliflower cooked in time for his dinner so I gave him his dinner
without. When I'd done the cauliflower he had finished his dinner but
I put the cauli in his bowl anyway, he ate it all up. And this is a
dog that sometimes won't eat his dinner if he's not particularly
hungry or thinks something else is going on.

4) Keeping a dog in captivity,

What, like 'living with us' is in captivity to you is it? I open the
front door, the dog may wander out, have a sniff and would come
straight back in again.

subjecting it to full bladders and bowels.

When is that then? If he asks to go out, we let him out so are
subjecting him to nothing.

So your dogs have never peed or **** on your carpets?

As puppies yes ... or when new rescues, frightened / nervous or unsure
of the setup, or the current one after having an anaesthetic,
sometimes ... but outside of that, no.

Again, another lie you (or that other troll Spuke, you trolls all
smell the same to me) made up is that they aren't free to go / do what
they want, they are on the lead all the time but in a typical daily 5m
walk, they are off the lead for the most of 4 miles of it? The only
time they are on the lead is when we are near the road or we see
something where it's safer (for all concerned) that they be 'under
control' (for them and us, like if they were to 'worry' livestock
etc).

5) Likely deficient in B12

Why would that be then?

From your fanatical posts.

Ah, from the posts you don't like because they make you question your
own lifestyle / morals?

6) Being an unworthy example of a vegan

Already covered as BS.

7) Abusing others who disagree with, questioning their brain.

Again, more lies. What you personally would have seen is me *reacting*
to the examples of the lies and false accusations you have so kindly
laid out here for us all to see. There are many people here (even)
with whom I've had a perfectly reasonable conversation on the subject.

So you calling someone brain one-sided is not abuse?

No, it's nothing like all the outright lies you have made up about me
for example.

Abuse is often the
reaction of a fanatic, who can't stomach the opposing argument.

Ah, yes, so I see.

8) Accused you of not caring for animal welfare, as indicated by the
snipping of petitions and not wanting to improve slaughter procedures.

Because it's like you saying you are now only raping your wife once a
month, rather than one a week and expecting praise? If we don't need
to cause animal suffering, exploitation and death, why would we if we
say we accept we should care for and respect animals?

Every vegan living a long and healthy life is proof that we do not
*need* to treat animals as commodities, assuming our morals and ethics
didn't tell us that in the first place.

That seems to be an excuse for not caring for animal welfare. My point
stands.

You wouldn't have a valid point unless someone gave it to you. ;-(

9) You believe in a deity like father christmas and avoid criticising
religious practises employed in cruel animal slaughter.

BS. *ANY* unnecessary animal slaughter is wrong, no mater how it's
done or for the reasons it's done. There is a massive difference
between putting an animal out of it's misery humanely, and what you
support.

So you do believe in a mythical deity,

I do? What is that then?

and and avoid criticising
religious practises employed in cruel animal slaughter.

In so far as there should be no slaughter in the first place. What is
so difficult for you to understand about that?

Glad we cleared
that one up.

Yeah, that would be like you only raping your wife monthly rather than
the weekly you were doing, versus me nor raping my wife ever.

Well done you!

To the best of my knowledge, all the above are true,

And that's the rub ... 'to the best of your knowledge when I have
*REPEATEDLY* stated that most of it was lies and false / bogus
accusations. But you don't listen.

I never said they were lies.

Other than by stating I was lying you mean? By stating what I was
doing when I wasn't?

You have been given the opportunity to say
they aren't true

Ah, how kind. You make up lies and 'give me the opportunity to clear
my name by countering them? Ah, guilty till I prove myself innocent
.... that seems to fit in with your morals perfectly.

and you generally endorsed the points I made.

Only in your head. ITRW it was the complete opposite of course.


You don't listen because 1) You
can't take any counter argument that isn't given to you by someone you
trust. That is an issue with left brainers. 2) You don't want to
accept any truths if it means you personally may have to change your
life=style or may miss out on something you enjoy, no matter how much
pain and suffering it causes others.

Again you resort to abuse to explain your fanatical ideals.

'Abuse' or a truth you don't like? If they are lies, what does that
feel like then?

I wouldn't
want to change my lifestyle if it meant I became another T i m.

You could only aspire to being me.

He
doesn't come across as a particularly pleasant person, abusing anyone
who disagrees with him.

And once again, compete and utter lies and BOLLOX.

There are loads of conversations on here with people I 'disagree with'
that are and remain perfectly respectful. It's only when people are
triggered that their own guilt can cause them to say stuff they
wouldn't if they weren't in an ethical turmoil (even if they didn't
realise themselves).

if there is
anything else I should add to the list, or anything further I has posted
I should apologise for, please do let me know.

Oh, the list is very long my friend but all part of the core issue,
you, your LBD and the consequences of that re all things.

LBD? Please pick one:
LDB Low Level Debugging
LDB Lean Data Block
LDB Legislative Data Base
LDB Load Data Base
LDB Logic Data Base
LDB License Data Base
LDB Lock Data Base
LDB Lan Data Base
LDB Location Data Base
LDB Longitudinal Data Base
LDB Legacy Data Base
LDB Large Data Base
LDB Low Level Data Base
LDB Lordsburg (Amtrak station code; Lordsburg, NM)
LDB Lietuvos Darbo Birža
LDB Little Drummer Boy (software to create drumloops)
LDB Left Descending Bank (river location)
LDB Genetic Location Database
LDB Lim Domain-Binding
LDB Londrina, Parana, Brazil - Londrina (Airport Code)
LDB Launch Data Bus (US NASA)
LDB Long Deep Breaths
LDB Leader Dogs for the Blind
LDB Landport Drapery Bazaar (fabric shop; Portsmouth, NH)
LDB Leader Development Branch (US Army)
LDB Local Data Base
LDB Loop Detection Buffer (Sonet)
LDB Light Distribution Box (Cisco)
LDB Low-Drag Bomb
LDB Loading Database
LDB Laboratoire de Dosimétrie Biologique (French: Biological Dosimetry
Laboratory)
LDB Lifetime Distribution Based
LDB Leverandørdatabank

I like the last one, if they are the only choices? If not, I'd go for
Left Brain Dominance.

I was right, you were wrong (for so many reasons) and you promised all
of us you 'would apologise' if you got something wrong.

I do apologise for questioning your brain wholeness, after you accused
others of being brain one-sided.

No need to do that as it's just an opinion.

No, its a form of abuse.

Tough, suck it up ... think of it and just re-balancing the
conversation from my POV.

You stating you had an
obligation to correct my mistake re reliability and uSD cards on RPi
when running HA was not a mistake by me and you were 100% wrong.
That's what I feel I deserve an apology for, out of principal.

I'm very sorry if I said, "You do realise that the RPi can load from SD
card and then no more writes. So no writing at all once the image is
loaded onto the card."

Again, It's not that statement you need to apologise for, given you
didn't have any idea of a key purpose of HA for most people (the
database / logging), it's more all the crap that came after and the
insistence that I should be aware of, and use that for my solution.

I wouldn't have even commented on your reply if it wasn't for our
history, other than a 'thanks but that wouldn't be any use to me'. It
was the arrogance of you jumping into a thread and suggesting that I
was ignorant of a feature that would be no use to me in any case and
nothing to do with the topic in question.

There, a real apology for something I
am not proud of.

Thanks but really not necessary.

But it rally only counts if you apologise for the abuse
that instigated my comment, otherwise the comment is justified and
apology taken back.

What abuse? Did I call you right brained or something?

Ah, that's the only sort of thing you think constitutes abuse,?
Muttiple posts accusing me of doing things I've never stated I've done
and knowing I wasn't going to reply to defend myself is perfectly ok
in your books? That's not harrasment for example?

See, you can't even go though with that can you. ;-(

What else have I done wrong?

Too long to list here. mate. ;-)

AKA You can't think of any.

Nope, what I said ...

And that's it. You won't get banned from Usenet or fined, you just
have to do what *you* volunteered to everyone or you are no better
than all those you accuse of abusing others?

Did you sign this petition?

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliame...t-of-fois-gras

Nope. All of that would go away if we just stopped treating animals
like food machines or commodities and started respecting and
protecting them for the individuals they are.

So you DGAS about animal welfare.

Why do you keep doing this, making yourself look a ****?

Are we really back to you raping your wife weekly not monthly as being
'better' than not raping her at all?

There is no good way to do a bad thing.

That is what we knew all along.

Who is this we you refer to? You and the voices in your head, because
in all the discussions here we veganism, you are the only one who has
ever accused me of not having animal welfare at heart?

You
simple crave meat and jealous our loved ones allow us to eat meat.

Ah, right, the voices again yes?

Now, are you going to apologise for:
1) Saying Trillions of animals are slaughtered every year (please note
plural of trillion)

Nope (reasons already given)

2) Abusing others, calling them brain sided

Nope, because we are all on different parts of the BD scale so where
you happen to fit is just my opinion.

3) Your ignorance in not knowing that a RPi can be run without and
further writes to the SD card.

Oh, I don't ****ing believe it, after all this! Of course I knew about
that as I've been using the same concepts for *years* with all the
live instances of Linux I've been running.

Who said, "Ok, explain *exactly* what you mean by that (knowing just how
disingenuous you are on most things)"

I did, for the reasons stated.

See, knowing just how desperate you are to get anything over on me, I
*know* there is no level you won't stoop if you think you will get
that, including blatant lying and accusations of things that you have
clearly made up.

But then guilt can drive people to do such things. ;-(

Next you will try to get me to apologise for any other thing that
*you* think I don't know about something, even when it is of no
interest to me what so ever.

I knew you wouldn't have balls to apologise.

Oh, the irony! Remind me how we got here again? Oh I know, you jumping
to the wrong conclusion and faceplanting.

There are may other reasons but this will do. However, I'm not holding
my breath.

No, please don't, because just when I thought we might actually be
getting somewhere, you demonstrate that you are actually as I feared
and are ill. ;-(

I'm not the one deficient in B12.

When were you last tested OOI.

I was tested quite recently and all my (our) levels were 'normal'.

Are you relying on all that 'natural' food you are eating being given
the right B12 supplements / implants in the hope you can extract if
from the flesh? Personally I'd rather cut out all that animal pain,
suffering, exploitation and death and take the B12 in all the foods
that are already supplemented (that you also eat of course)and B12
supplements directly (that anyone my age would be wise to take).

Much safer, better, kinder to animals to do it that way than hoping
you can get enough from innocent animal carcases.

I got a nice fix yesterday evening.

Ah, that also explains it. Heroin?

It
was scrumptious.

Munchies?

For that reason, unless you can *actually / really* see what you have
said and done to be mostly figments of your imagination (the voices in
your head telling you to say this stuff), I'm going to have to go back
to just ignoring you, for your own sake.

I take it you hear voices, please tell us what it's like.

Aww bless, what do they say 'imitation is the sincerest form of
flattery'.

I'd love to
know what I'm missing.

Hey, I'm sure you have more than enough with the voices you have
already!

I suggested long ago, simply killfile me and those you call trolls

What, is that going to stop you making stuff up about me?

so we
can correct some of the crap you post without abuse being returned when
you're proven wrong.

Ah yes, that's just what you would like isn't it, to be able to make
up anything behind someone's back without them having the opportunity
to have a say? That sounds like the preference of a sad, desperate
coward to me?

And hey, if all you have in your life is trying to database everything
I say in an effort to catch me out, you *really*, *REALLY* need to get
a life!

So, now you are back to showing your true colours, I'll go back to
ignoring you and you can go back to making up all sorts of lies about
me, comforted in the knowledge I won't reply to defend myself. Such is
the cowardly troll way.

Cheers, T i m