On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 4:01:16 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 12:39:57 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 3:07:37 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/
And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.
Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering
getting
vaccinated:
Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?
Government: NO
Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.
Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back
to
work like
normal?
Government: NO
I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.
Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?
Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.
That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer,
95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.
Those are the numbers for avoiding serious
disease, not for getting infected.
That's wrong.
Nope, thats what the Phase 3 trials measured and thats
where those numbers came from. They havent measure
the effectiveness of preventing infection by the virus yet,
that measurement is being done now and we dont have
the numbers yet.
The effectiveness was measured by people being diagnosed
as having Covid, not for having serious disease.
Wrong, as always.
Just like always, just like Trump and Fretwell. Get
it wrong and then just keep doubling down on it.
We'll see...
I read the Pfizer trial document that was submitted to FDA for approval..
But clearly didnt understand it or even what a Phase 3 trial is about.
The effectiveness number was not based on "serious disease".
It was measured on how many of the people who
were vaccinated wound up DIAGNOSED with Covid,
regardless of the severity, compared to the control group.
Wrong, as always and that document didnt even say that.
It isnt even possible to diagnose who got covid because
the whole point of a vaccine is to get the body to produce
lots of antibodys so you cant even measure if the individual
has got covid when there are no symptoms.
That's obviously wrong too, stupid. It's like saying we can't diagnose
someone having Measles either, if they've been vaccinated. Following
that logic, it would be impossible to know if any vaccine is effective,
because we can't tell who has it and who does not. But we can because
we have DNA based tests that test for the presence of the actual virus,
not antibodies, stupid.
It was ~95% effective in reducing the number diagnosed with Covid.
Wrong, as always.
No, that's exactly what you're own reference, wiki says, stupid.
Further, other studies, eg Israel have confirmed that.
But they arent the ones who produced that 95% number.
They confirmed it stupid and it's the reduction in Covid diagnosis in
the people vaccinated versus those that were not. It's not the
reduction in those with "serious cases", stupid.
And even then, the Israeli data certainly suggest that the
Pfizer vaccine is effective at reducing transmission, but it isnt
possible to put a percentage on how effectively it does that.
Just like usual, instead of just admitting you were wrong, now you're
babbling about something else, trying to divert.
It is possible to put a number on the percentage who get severe disease.
And if the metric is "serious Covid", then the effectiveness is even
higher.
Wrong, as always.
All the vaccine scientists and medical pros say otherwise, stupid.
If the test subjects came down with Covid symptoms
they were examined by doctors and tested for Covid.
Pity about those who never had any symptoms.
Irrelevant to what you got wrong, stupid.
They did not have to present with "serious disease"
to be counted, only symptomatic Covid.
Pity about those who never had any symptoms.
Wrong, as always. That may well be what your
media has told you, but its just plain wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Efficacy
Thanks for confirming that you don't know WTF you're talking about.
We'll see...
We just did see, even your own reference says it.
From your own reference:
"The effectiveness of a new vaccine is defined by its efficacy
during clinical trials.[140] The efficacy is the risk of getting the
disease by vaccinated participants in the trial compared with
the risk of getting the disease by unvaccinated participants.
Thats a bleeding chunk shorthand from the entire section.
In efficacy calculations, symptomatic COVID-19 is generally
defined as having both a positive PCR test and at least one
or two of a defined list of COVID-19 symptoms, although
exact specifications varying between trials. "
Pity about those who have no symptoms. Those are clearly infected.
Irrelevant to the fact that the 95% efficacy was measured as the
reduction in people diagnosed with Covid compared to the placebo
group, not the reduction is serious disease which is what you claimed.
Exactly what I said.
Wrong, as always.
It doesn't say what you said, which is that
it's measured by reduction in "serious cases".
I said serious disease, not serious cases.
Further, if you look at the table, it says for the Moderna vaccine,
if the metric is "serious disease", then the efficacy is close to 100%.
But it doesnt say that the risk of infection is reduced by any percentage.
And you deleted the lancet article because it
blows your stupid claim right out of the water.
reams of your **** flushed where it belongs
I didn't bother with the second of your references, because the first clearly
said you're wrong, it didn't say what you claimed, that the vaccine efficacy is
measure by reduction is severe cases. It says exactly what I said, that it's
a measure of reduction of Covid infections diagnosed PERIOD. OK, so now
I go look at the Lancet and what does it say? Exactly the same thing, that
it's measured as reduction in SYMPTOMATIC cases, not your "severe cases".
"It is imperative to dispel any ambiguity about how vaccine efficacy shown in trials translates into protecting individuals and populations. The mRNA-based Pfizer1
, 2
and Moderna3
vaccines were shown to have 9495% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as 100ร(1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo). It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0ยท05% of vaccinated people would get diseased. "
Feel better now? Continue to now lie and double down on stupid, instead of
admitting you were wrong. Just like Trump.