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Fredxx wrote

Perhaps some of voted so our children can purchase affordable
houses and have respectable income. I suppose that could also
be considered borderline selfish.

We did once have a decent amount of social housing. The
reasonable rents for that set a base for other rented housing,
and to some extent the value of housing in that sort of bracket
for sale. Which would be what most first time buyers bought.

I already had a house and didn't pay much attention at the time
they were sold off. Without knowing anything about the
construction funding, it seemed not unreasonable at the time.

Is something preventing any local authority building more?

Yep, lack of the money to do that.

So what money were council houses originally built with?

After the war, the war rebuilding money.

What was that?

Assisting those who had been bombed out etc
and part of that was more council houses.

Where did it come from?

Treasury.

The Treasury *still* dispenses massive largesse every year in the
form of grants to housing associations.

But not for building more council houses since Maggie
started selling them off and stopped councils from spending
the revenue from the selloffs on new council houses.

There is a disconnect between those two ideas.

Nope.

The suggestion that the reason why councils don't build many council
properties is that they aren't allowed to use the revenue from council
house sales is a ludicrous argument.

It is a fact that Maggie wouldnt let councils spend the money they
got from selling council houses on building more council houses.

I am aware of that.

If you sold your house, would you expect the mortgage on it to be kept
running?

Irrelevant to how council house building is funded.

Wrong.

We'll see...

Council house building is "funded" (a weasel word meaning "paid for") by
people like me, by the simple process of incurring debt on which *I* (and
people like me) each have to pay part of the interest.

But doesnt involve any element of mortgage that needs
to be paid off if the property is sold to the current tenant.

It is plainly in our interest to have that debt extinguished as soon as
possible,

Not if you believe and many do, that council
houses that are sold to the existing tenants
should be replaced with new council housing
so there is a continuing stock of council
housing for those who need council houses.

And I dont include parasites like Corbyn in that.

and that means when capital becomes available on the sale of the property.

See above.

They were never funded by mortgages written by
treasury with the council being the mortgagee.

They were still paid for (not "funded") by loans raised upon the backs of
taxpayers.

Not necessarily in times of no deficit. In those
times they are funded by taxation revenue.

Of course you wouldn't. Everyone would expect you to pay it off with (at
least part of) the proceeds of sale. Whether that debt lay with the
council or the Treasury is unimportant.

There was never a repayable debt with Treasury with council house
funding.

Wrong.

Nope.

the point is that the money isn't for spending until the account is
debt-free.

There was never a repayable debt with Treasury with council house
funding.

Wrong again. There is *huge* public debt.

But that doesnt need to be repaid if you believe
and many do, that council houses that are sold to
the existing tenants should be replaced with new
council housing so there is a continuing stock of
council housing for those who need council houses.

It could never have been a source of capital for building council
houses in the first place.

Never said it was. But it does explain why they
didnt build more when some were sold to
their tenants when Maggie encouraged that.

I (and plenty of others) have explained that.

Nope.

When councils and the Treasury are debt free, that'll be the time to
spend the proceeds of sales. In the meantime, they should be used to
reduce debt.

There was never a debt with treasury with council houses.

How many times are you going to repeat that falsehood?

For as often as you keep running your erroneous line.

And irrelevant to why treasury no longer
funds the building of new council houses.

Before the war, the slum clearances money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_house#History

Again, from the taxpayer?

Thats all it can ever come from.

Apparently not, because there are those who insist that the money
raised from private buyers of council property (the former tenants)
should be used too (instead of using it to reduce public debt).

Those are still taxpayers.

Sophistry.

Fact actually.

Sophistry is usually a truth dressed up so as to be interpreted as
something it is not. That's what the word means. Your statement was
sophistry.

Nope, fact, actually.

And councils had to buy "slum" housing from its owners. It wasn't
free. Almost, but not quite.

Sure, but we are discussing who paid for the replacements of those
slums with council housing.

Has that source of capital been stopped up?

Not stopped up so much as no longer needed given that
there are far fewer slums that need to be cleared now.

If so, when?

When the massive slum clearance programs ceased.

And if so, why?

Because the slums had been cleared.

Especially when housing associations are *still* building?

Thats an alternative to council houses that the govt now prefers to
fund.

Possibly because they have a better reputation for maintenance and
management than councils have.

Much more likely just a change of fashion like with the change
to public/private combination for funding infrastructure and
nationalisation which is now very out of fashion except with
fools like Corbyn and with how university and college fees etc.

But HA tenants don't have the right to buy, which is disgraceful.

It obviously has nothing to do with the sales of council property or
the proceeds therefrom.

Corse it does when Maggie didnt allow councils to spend
what they collected from the sale of council houses to the
tenants of those house on new council houses.

Explained already.

Nope, yours is a claim, which is wrong, and not an explanation.