On 02/03/2021 12:17, T i m wrote:
We do live in a strange world where people 'say' they respect and
(should / do) protect animals then do the exact opposite in what they
eat or do with their bodies or excretions?

This includes a jockey sitting on a dead horse (that had died of a
heart attack whilst on the gallops (exploitation leading to a
premature death?)) to a TV reporter drinking some cows milk in front
of some dairy cows and saying 'cheers' to them (effectively goading
the mothers of calves they haven't really seen and that were often
killed or destined for a life of servitude as a 'milk machine').

It's a disconnection (cognitive dissonance) I see over and over and
often in people who are otherwise intelligent and empathetic where
they are either ignorant of what goes on behind the scenes to provide
them their animal based food or are fully aware and just think it's
all acceptable?

Does that mean you're not intelligent, where there must be great
disconnection (cognitive dissonance) with your views on animals yet you
keep pets, and subject them to suffering such as castration?

You won't reply because you can't justify your treatment of your own pets.

Much of it is simply speciesism, people who have been indoctrinated
(historically) or brainwashed and certainly marketed to to accept that
they *need* to cause the suffering to innocent and often sentient
animals to survive or even enjoy themselves (taste / texture) when
they only do so at the cost to other species (and potentially
ourselves with health, resource use and the environment etc).

Man is a higher species, therefore speciesism is something we have to
live with. Do you think it's appropriate to treat ants, with advanced
social structure, able to build their own homes as mammals? Do you
pander to ants when entering your house or dissuade their entry?

I think this explains speciesism fairly well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRk6OAseMLQ

Is that love? Is that how your wife treats you? Do you get to choose
when to go out, when to pee, when to ****, when to eat? Can you choose
the room temperature, what to wear outside?

Love is an expectation of something in return. The closest parallel is
paedophiles loving children:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tion-mail-nccl
"A paedophile does not love children; he abuses them."

Would you call yourself a "dog lover"?