J. Clarke on Tue, 02 Mar 2021 15:55:29
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2021 08:18:28 -0800, pyotr filipivich
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J. Clarke on Mon, 01 Mar 2021 17:50:31
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2021 10:20:14 -0800, pyotr filipivich
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Greetings

Was pondering the whole "it is good to learn the manual skills
first" school of thought, and made the analogy to writing vs
keyboarding. Not a smart statement to make in the hearing of an early
childhood education specialist B-). She pointed out that children at
that age learn "though the hand." They need to use their hand to make
the shape as part of how they learn the letters. "So much for that
idea."

OTOH, for the vast majority of users, be it word processing, CAD,
machine operator, operating an automobile, microwave, etc - knowing
the history beyond the very basic outline is not needed. As far as
keyboarding goes, all you need to know is "the layout is a legacy from
the early mechanical typewriter layouts."
Same with drafting - you don't need to know how to set an ink pen
in order to use AutoDesk, Catia, Solidworks, etc. Just know that line
thickness and their meanings were settled (in Court). You do not need
to know about descriptive geometry to understand the origins of 3rd
Angle projection vs 1st angle projection, just know that they are
there.
Likewise, while I am attempting to learn astronomy without clocks
or telescopes, that doesn't mean when I want to look at the moon, or
Mars, I don't grab a telescope. Same for in the shop. Having used
hand tools for construction "I understand why power tools were
invented."

There is the saying that the user knows enough to accomplish the
task at hand, the expert knows all the relevant parts of the subject*;
and a scholar knows all that and the rest, too.

If you were going to be in the back seat during a dogfight, who would
you rather have in front, Saburo Sakai or an aeronautical engineering
professor?

I want Joe "Bird Brain" von Fronkensteen. Outside of the cockpit
he's a complete, well, birdman. But because he had a bird's brain
transplanted into him, he has an innate sense of flying that puts all
humans to shame.

Go read the web comic "Chicken Wings" and tell me how much you
admire Chuck.

Building the bus and driving the bus are different skills, and
excellence at one does not confer excellence at the other. This has
been an ongoing problem at most universities for decades--the math
faculty insist on trying to teach everybody how to build the bus, when
most scientists and engineers need to know how to drive it instead.

As I said, there are "operators" who know enough to use the
machine, there are those who knows the practice and the theory behind
it, and then there is the guy who knows not only the practice and the
theory, but also all the other bits, too.

If you want to hire the button pusher, that is entirely up to you.
Just do not expect any useful feedback other than "it broke, I don't
know why."

So how do you retain the master engineers in button pushing jobs? I'd
think they'd get bored with it after a while.

Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no.
And you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a light bulb.