"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 01/03/2021 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/02/2021 19:27, Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/02/2021 19:07, Fred wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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On 28 Feb 2021 at 10:11:45 GMT, Fredxx wrote:
On 28/02/2021 10:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote
One of the main issues about any on line financial services is
proving who you are. Increasingly complicated and often
inaccessible ways to prove you are a human and indeed the account
holder
Bull**** with the best fingerprint and
facial recognition on your phone.
Some of us use desktops.
I do too but net banking is much better done on the
phone for that reason and brian has a very decent
iphone which has the best fingerprint id around.
Both of those techniques have weaknesses.
Not with the best implementations they dont.
Try changing your fingerprint after this:
Don't need to, no fingerprint or facial data ever
leaves the phone, the phone just tells the app
that your fingerprint or face does match the
data that never ever leaves the phone and
isnt even available to someone who steals
the phone or finds it either. All the phone
ever does is say that the current fingerprint
or face matches the very securely stored
internal data. No one, not even the phone
manufacturer ever gets to see it.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-defence-firms
You've missed the point that when you biometric data is compromised
facial and fingerprints are no longer secure, and tricky to get new
credentials.
make the use so onerous that its easier over the telephone quite
often.
Bull****.
I have to use my phone to get a number to log into my account on a
desktop.
You should be doing your banking on a very secure phone.
While it will be quicker than making a call if I'm wearing a
headset I could still get on with things around me.
You can get on much easier with the best phones.
And dont try running some line about the cost of them,
there are plenty of very secure decently priced phones
that arent anything like the latest models.
I like big multi-monitors that have all the information at my
fingertips in view at the same time. A 5"x3" screen doesn't quite
hack it.
I also record my calls, so I need a rooted phone after Google closed
the recording facility on new phones. So another potential security
weakness kindly created by Google.
I gave up on the fingerprint stuff when I found that to get into the
phone took 1, 2, 3 or more attempts.
Never does on mine.
**** that. A little bit longer to type in the
code but it takes the same amount of time, every time, and it works,
every time.
So does the fingerprint on mine.
You just need a well designed phone.
Mine works fine most of the time, but when I have been doing DIY and
have had glue, plaster, mortar, concrete or things like that on my
fingers, the fingerprint reader won't work for days.
I simply don't bother with passwords at all. I wouldn't use an inherently
insecure device like a mobile phone for anything important.
What make you think it is inherently insecure? Just the fact that it's
small, portable and easily stolen?
And even if thats what he meant, he has got that completely wrong.
With a mobile phone with the best fingerprint or facial recognition,
the phone is in fact vastly more secure than anything else, even if it
does get lost or stolen, just because no one else can use it.
Communications with it are secured to the same standard as those to a
desktop or server class machine. It's running a Linux kernel, and has the
option of biometric as well as conventional password restricted access.
Mobile phones are toys. Ultimate consumerCrap„¢. Mine doesnt respond to
its touchscreen half the time except when I would rather it didnt.
I do know some folks have problems getting it to respond - particularly if
they have very dry skin. "phone compatible" gloves usually solve the
problem though.
Ergonomically it is a total disaster., Whoever thought of putting input
where you cannot actually avoid getting fingers while holding the device?
Or alternatively you could argue it's a miracle of packaging, getting that
sophistication of UI into such a small form factor.
Yep and the voice input works surprisingly well too.
Anyone doing anything important with a phone is a ****ing idiot
Anyone who cant work out how to answer an incoming call has dementia.
Well confronted with such a thoughtfully reasoned augment, how could we
doubt you :-)