On 26/02/2021 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
On 26 Feb 2021 at 02:02:36 GMT, Fredxx wrote:

On 26/02/2021 00:29, T i m wrote:

Ok, for the hard of thinking, working on the 'what can go wrong,
will go wrong' basis, *anything* that pollutes somewhere in such a way
that it can't be inhabited for a very long time, in my book, isn't 'a
good thing'?

If you looked hard you would check on the contaminated site in the UK
from various oil and other spills.

How about fixing 'what can go wrong' so that it 'cant go wrong'. Which is what
is done with modern designs.

Well of course "*anything* that pollutes somewhere in such a way that it
can't be inhabited for a very long time" is not nuclear power.

Christ on a bike they even dropped a nuke on Hiroshima, never 'cleaned
it up' and people have been living there ever since with no ill effects.

All this paranoia comes from the fact that

(a) Fear of nuclear was a cold war weapon in is own right, and
governments tacitly encouraged it - especially the Soviet Union, who
were backing CND and the Labour party covertly. CND became the Greens to
all intents and purposes after nuclear fear 'went away'

(b) No one actually knew. The effects of total high single dose exposure
were known, as were the effects of chronic medium dose exposure. Both
caused cancers. There was no evidence whatsoever on the effects of
chronic low dose exposure, and they needed some kind of metric.
So they picked 'lifetime dose' as a metric. It was as wrong as saying
that if drinking a gallon of vodka has a 50% chance of killing you,
drinking a gallon of vodka over a lifetime has a 50% chance of killing you.

(c) So they adopted the LNT model of total dosage as a metric for health
and safety regulations. The power station companies said they could meet
extremely low emissions regulations and did.

(d) LNT was a gift to the greens, because it allowed them to model
disasters from even minor spills of radioactivity and led to such
statements as 'contaminated for thousands of years' 'no such thing as a
safe dose ' 'that is what your *own government* says' . Out of LNT came
all the predictions of MegaDeath post Chernobyl that simply never
happened. My dear Vegan Green sister still believes that 'it was based
on government models, therefore it was correct' and 'the government
covered it up, because the government cannot be trusted'

She thinks she is intelligent....but I digress.

The fact is that huge areas of the earth have been contaminated for
millions of years by ....sea water! You cant grow any crops foir vegans
in the middle of the oceans!

The total amount of long term radioactivity in the sea is also ****ing
ginormous. 4 billion tonnes of 'nuclear waste' dissolved in it before we
even built the first atomic bomb.

Dartmoor is, according to the LNT model, 'uninhabitable' as is much of
Cornwall. It is many times the radioactivity of FUKU exclusion zone or
Pripyat near Chernobyl.

https://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...h-effects.aspx

is a good read if you *can* read Long Words and Do Simple Sums, so not
suitable for T i m sadly.

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