On Feb 20, 2021 at 2:59:52 PM MST, "Fredxx" wrote
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On 20/02/2021 19:57, Joel wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
On 20/02/2021 14:57, Joel wrote:
Bob F wrote:
On 2/20/2021 3:39 AM, Mario wrote:

Who are you to tell a woman what to do with her body if/after she was
beaten, raped, tortured or who knows what, then having to endure 9
months of the trauma she never asked for?

Easy for you to sit in your mighty computer chair ans pass judgement,
especially when you'll never have that experience.

How do these nuts think about having to bring their wife's rapist's baby
to term? Will they happily accept them as their own?

Antiabortion people (not "pro-life", which is a self-serving slogan
and not a real policy) don't really care about women. And I know, a
lot of them are women, but not ones who comprehend the idea of
equality. A rape victim has every right to bear a child produced from
rape, if they so choose, but to deny them the choice to abort it is
unbelievably sexist.

You were doing well up to this point. It's also sexist to ignore the
father's opinion.


I was discussing a *rapist* being the father, so that's obviously
ridiculous - although, a woman has no responsibility to get the
father's permission to have an abortion in other cases. If a man has
sex with a woman, he ought to have these discussions first, if he
expects her to bear a child they produce. It's up to her whether she
does or not.

So, is it sexist or not? Where one interested party to the embryo
doesn't have a say?

The woman has the final say over her body. Period.

I'm not debating whether that is right or not.
Please remember you brought up the subject of sexism.

Your push to deny women equal rights is sexist.



As Mario said, a man will never have to face
that decision.

That's because as a father he doesn't have any rights for his unborn child.


It's because men don't give birth.

They are party to the formation of an embryo. Unless your name is Mary/

They STILL have no control over the woman's body.



And if you have an "exception" to an abortion ban for
victims of rape, how will they prove rape was the cause of the
pregnancy? The only solution is to keep abortion legal in general.

Back to common sense.


Your position is unclear.

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both men and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.

You also speak of "common sense" to figure out if someone was raped. Please go
on... how do you know?

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