In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 4 Feb 2021 09:58:40 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:52:49 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the body’s cells on
manufacturing proteins. It is technology that has not “ever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until
now.” There have been no independently published animal studies on any

The best studies are studies on people. Animal studies done 1) so as
not to risk the lives of people, but people were already dying at a high
rate from the disease. 2) Animals can be given a disease to test cures,
but that is immoral wrt humans, and only the Tuskegee study comes to
mind for immoral studies. 3) IIRC but I could be wrong some diseases
like cancer progress faster in some animals so that testing can be done
in far less time than it would take to see the results in humans. This
doesn't apply to corona.

In short, there is no need for more animal studies.


of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on
the elderly,

It saves their lives. See below**

the very young,

No one is giving it to the very young, which I think is 4 and under.
But in fact, no one under 16 is getting it.

or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future.

Not a problem, retired and maybe trader addressd this.

I’d say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

Safety is critical for everyone. It's a good thing the vaccines in use
are safe.

** https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55706855
Israeli Ministry of Health (MoH) figures show 531 over-60s, out of
almost 750,000 fully vaccinated, tested positive for coronavirus
(0.07%).
And far fewer fell ill, with 38 becoming hospitalised with moderate,
severe or critical disease - a tiny proportion.
The MoH assessed the medical records of almost a million people in
total - 743,845 of whom were over the age of 60 - until at least seven
days after they received a second dose of the vaccine.
There were three deaths in vaccinated over-60s - although it is
possible they contracted the infection earlier, before their immunity
had time to build.
[OTOH]Before the vaccine had time to take effect, more than 7,000
infections were recorded, just under 700 cases of moderate to critical
illness and 307 deaths.
The MoH data suggests infections and illnesses fell consistently from
14 days after receiving the first jab onwards.

-- So only 3 deaths out of 743,000 over age 60 who were vaccinated.

Compared to 300 in a similar group without vaccination.

In addition to the 40,000 who were in the phase 3 tests, isn't 743,000
test subjects over age 60 enough for you?


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml


Gene therapy ...

Get it through your head. It's not gene therapy. You either don't know
what gene therapy is or you don't know how the vaccines work. Try
reading about them.

--
Maggie

The vaccines are not gene therapy, stupid. I see that 42% of Republicans say they will
never get vaccinated. The good news there is that leaves more vaccine for the rest
of us. The bad news is that apparently the GOP not only has a death wish figuratively,
but literally too.