"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:57:09 +1100, Fred wrote:

Vaccinating 80+ in care and nursing homesis
a waste as they're going to die quite soon.

That's bull****

80+ is a "good age", they might have
another 10 years, if they are (un?) lucky.

It is in fact the average.

... and it's a very unpleasant way to die ...

Doesn't have to be

Yes it does.

but this country has the attitude that people must
be kept alive for as long as medical science can
regardless of the cost to the patients quality of "life"
or how much money has to be spent in the process.

It's still a very unpleasant way to die
if they do nothing and just let you die.

... and involves lots of medical resources as well.

Only if you insist that people are treated.

Yes, you can certainly do what the chinese did,
just let you die and weld your door shut so you can't
infect others before you die, only those in your flat.

A lot of elderly are of the view that they've had
their innings, they are going to die sooner rather
than later and they'd much rather spend the end
of their life being visited by, or visiting, their kids,
grankids, great grankids etc

But that cant happen when you have the virus.
And it makes a lot of sense to vaccinate those
so they can continue to communicate with those
you listed before they die.

than being locked away in virtual solitary
confinement in their own home or care home.

It isnt that with modern communications.

The icing on the cake is when the end comes,
be that from the virus or other cause, they
can't have their loved ones present.

They don't need to if they have been vaccinated
and the virus doesn't kill them.

If one still has ones marbles one can refuse
treatment but you can't ask for your life to
be ended, even when the chances of survival are
minimal.

The chances of survival are excellent if you
are vaccinated and the side effects of the
vaccination are much less than even just
being isolated and left to die.

My mum had a stroke, with no warning signs.
It didn't quite kill her but the only muscles she
could voluntarly move slightly were a couple
of fingers of her left hand and the corner of
her mouth and eyes.

And that wouldn't happen with a vaccinated older person
with this virus even if they do get infected by the virus.

You could talk to her and you could tell from her eyes and extrememly
limited movement that her mind still functioning very well. That mind
was trapped in a body that was in effect of no use. After a week of
no signs of any improvement we told the doctors to DNR. "Do Not
Rescusitate", she passed quietly in her sleep a couple of days later.
Medical science and an awful lot of care could not doubt have kept
the body and mind alive but what sort of "life"?

And that wouldn't happen with a vaccinated older person
with this virus even if they do get infected by the virus.

Should be all those in any form of clinical role and the emergency

services, all pupils and teachers at all levels and families with
children, jobs etc.

That's wrong too until the vaccination is known to prevent infection.

Er, the testing shows quite clearly that the
approved vaccinations do prevent infection.

No it does not. ALL it shows is that they
don't get severe disease if infected.

Do you mean transmission?

Same thing in this case.

The sick/subnormal/wrinklies (retired) last

That's mad too given that we do know that the current vaccines do
prevent severe disease if you get infected.

(I'm in the last category there).

Irrelevant.

No it's not. It showing that he considers that, for society as whole,
it would be better to vaccinate other categories before himself.

That bit about his own personal circumstances doesn't.

The family next door, for instance, has far more
value the society and the country than all the
denizens of all the various homes and hospices
put together, with two young, bright children
and jobs that are important.

Stupid consideration until its known that the vaccine prevents infection
and there is a shortage of vaccine.

Again infection or transmission?

See above.

Oh, politicians should be last, just to
give us some hope of a good outcome.

Even sillier.

Given that most politicians are not in a high
risk group if they do become infected in my
view they are no different to any other person
in the country.

But he wants them to be treated differently.

Key workers, like bin men, come above them.