On 11/25/2020 2:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/25/2020 1:20 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/25/2020 11:46 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 00:28:05 -0000, rbowman wrote:

On 11/22/2020 04:58 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/22/2020 6:40 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/22/20 2:23 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Cybertruck
WTF is that?!* Looks like someone built it in a shed.* Reminds me of
the Hammerhead Eagle Thrust - a car made out of scrap parts on
Top Gear:
https://www.topgear.com/sites/defaul...?itok=P54mHinE


******* It wouldn't be much use in the central U.S. due to lack of
charging stations at least for now.* Ugly as sin but not a ridiculous
price.* The link is to Autotrader, a vehicle market place.
http://preview.alturl.com/cdr2c

I have seen videos such as these driving a Tesla cross country:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiC6bS6lPi0

The car will essentially plot your route from charging station to
charging station where you have to eat or sleep while charging.
What Tesla does not tell you is that electric cost is at least
twice as
high using their charging stations.

Not seeing an EV in my future with the possible exception of an
eBike, I
only skimmed the article but the takeaway was the charging costs were
higher the equivalent gasoline costs.

Found it:

https://carbuzz.com/news/charging-a-...a-car-with-gas


The article is about Australia so US costs may differ.

They're free to charge at public points in the UK, and dirt cheap if
you charge at home.* But the extra cost to buy the car is the same as
the amount you save on fuel, so no point.

One of my big beefs is government mandating science and technology.* I
think I here that no new internal combustion engine cars can be sold
in the UK after 2030.* California is mandating it in 2030.* Other
states will follow.

Sure electric vehicles do not pollute but their pollution from the
extra materials used and electric generation is hidden and overall
probably worse.

There has been a couple of articles about that. Many think it is just
moving the pollution, plus the battery problem.

If you can generate electricity with other than fossil fuels you remove
a lot of pollution from operation.* You still have batteries to be
recycled, mining operations for the materials and such.

The IC engine is only about 25% to 30% efficient so even generating with
say, 85% efficient fuel use may help overall.

I imagine it will be better in the future.* Right now, the cost of an EV
is still high and difficult to justify economically, can be a PITA on a
long trip as you have to take a while to charge.

The proof to me would be when electric vehicles are cheaper than the
equivalent vehicles with internal combustion engines.

Nuclear might be the way to go but I cannot see much expansion. The
Japan incident was apparently worse than Chernobyl but went out to sea.

Wind and solar are just pushing the pollution elsewhere.

Efficiency in internal combustion appears to have reached its limit for
now but should be possible.

Funny thing I just heard was that a here brewery was having trouble
finding a supply of carbon dioxide. Might be anticipation of all the
dry ice needed for vaccine refrigeration. This, when we are wallowing
in carbon dioxide pollution What will be the environmental impact
when all gas stations are replaced with charging stations?