On 10/18/2020 7:20 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 10/18/2020 3:58 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 6:43:46 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 18 Oct 2020 07:23:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 2:57:15 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
For 100 years, Census Day has been April 1.
https://www.census.gov/history/www/t...verview_1.html

For the 2010 census, a new section was added to the Overview page, Key
2010 Census Dates.Â*Â* The other years don't have this, but at least I
know that for 2010

"April 1, 2010 - Census Day. Households are asked to supply data in
their census questionnaire that is accurate as of April 1.

April 30, 2010 - Enumerators begin door-to-door operations to collect
census data from households to follow up with households that either
didn't mail back their form or didn't receive one.

July 30, 2010 - The toll-free telephone assistance line is closed,
ending 2010 census data collection. More than 130,000 interviews were
completed via the toll-free line."

So that's 3 complete months, during which time there were doorknockers .
Does anyone know how long it was this year.Â*Â* It prob


Not clear from that enumerators were out there for the three full months.

True, not clear from that but it might have been the full 3 months.


Â*Â* I
remember that they would start hiring and training 4 or 6 months in
advance.Â* This year, my friend... I have to ask her again. She also
applied to be a contact tracer for Covid.Â* She took online training for
one or both of them and then didn't hear back for a long time, but
anyhow, the question is, when it says in 2010 "Enumerators begin
door-to-door operations to collect census data" were they really out
there going to people's doors on the last day of April.

No, because of Covid it started around early August.Â* But why do they have
to have started in April?



I hate to say it but I was depressed and hadn't returned my census form
and somoene called me, someone I knew.Â* If I could remember who it was,
I could and would call him for more details, but I can't remember. Other
than that, I don't know how to find more about this.
This year from what I can tell it was two months, maybe a little less,
starting in early August, ending early Oct.Â* It probably varied a bit by
region of the country.Â* But the real issue here is what percentage was
completed this year versus previous years and if it's substantially
different, does it make any difference in the result.Â* They will never get
to 100%, there will always be a few percent left.Â* That is then filled in
using estimates and models based on the 97% or whatever they have.Â* So
if one year they get to 98%, while another year they get to 96%, not clear
that it really matters.

I agree with all of this, and I don't expect the census to be 100%.

They are saying that they've been to 99% of all the residences in
Maryland,

I suspect what that said is that 99% is complete, meaning they have census
data for 99%.



but they did that partly by loosening standards on what is
visiting a home.Â* Used to be, on I forget, the second or third trip, the
doorknocker could talk to neighbors and if they said how many were
living there (even if they were occasinally wrong) itÂ* counted as a
visit.Â* They weakened that to allow it on the first visit. (My friend
went to some places 3 times before finding a resident who was home and
answsed the door, but she's very diligent.Â* She also liked the job, at
least sometimes, from the interesting places she got to go. One was a
house built in the 1800's for the visit by some German king or
something.)

All that is wrong, AFAIK there is no change in how the census data is recorded.
It's always been that after some number of attempts at an address if they
can't be contacted, then they use proxies, ie a neighbor or landlord.
That's mostly because some people just refuse all attempts, which is why
they just didn't do it online or via mail.


Even though she lives there, she saw a lot of streets she hadn't seen.
OTOH, if I did it, I think t hey would assign me around here and I've
been down almost every street already.

But I digress:

WhatÂ* I don't want isn't for it to be 100% but for it not to favor
Republican areas at the direction of a Republican.Â* I cetainly didn't
suspect H.W.Bush of doing that, as we all know, stumpie has shown plenty
of signs of trying to corrupt the Census.Â* (For others, originnally in
June or so it was the census bureau, his own appointee I suspect, who
wanted it extended that month. Then something made them change their
mind.Â* Maybe someone from a state that was going lose a Repuiblican
district pointed out to them how they could increase Republican
representation by shortening the

There were two issues there.Â* One was ending it early and I agree, that looked
like Trump figuring that illegal aliens and the like would be more resistant
to being counted, so ending it early would count less of them. But the census
has been completed now to a high enough extent that this no longer is a
significant issue.

The other is Trump wants to exclude illegals from the count.Â* I think he's right
on that, it's not what the framers would have intended.Â* On the other hand the
Constitution says all people, and I don't think Trump is likely to prevail in the courts.Â* That is one of of those conservative things, ruling on what the
Constitution says, the letter of the law.Â* If there were some contemporary
discussion at the time showing otherwise, I would be persuaded. But there
isn't, because at the time the US was not being flooded with illegals.






At some point, people that refuse to cooperate
or where contact can't be made, where somone can't be found to provide the
data, another month of pounding on the door isn't going to change the result.

No one pounds on one door for a month.

Whether it will change depends on how thoroughly they've done it
already.Â* Have they really been back 2 more times? That WAS the
standard.

I think they probably doorknocked for 3 full months in 2010, but we
still don't know how long it was in 2020.

As to the completion date, I read under Herman Hollerith

On the Census site above.Â* Hollerith invented the Hollerith card, the
precursor of what was it called, an IBM card? a rectangle with a corner
missing and little rectangualr punch holes.Â*Â* He got the idea from paper
crds that controlled looms as ealy as 1801, that enabled them to make
complicated patterns in cloth.Â*Â* He started at the Census Bureau, but
later started the company that after he left became IBM.

https://www.census.gov/history/www/c...hollerith.html
Herman Hollerith (1860-1929): Hollerith worked briefly for the Census
Office in the run-up to the 1880 census. This experience, along with
some advice from mentor John Shaw Billings, convinced him that the
Census Office desperately needed a better way to tabulate census data
than hand counting. Hollerith was able to invent a device that did just
that: an electric tabulating machine.....

https://www.census.gov/history/www/i...tabulator.html
1888 Competition
Following the 1880 census, the Census Bureau was collecting more data
than it could tabulate. As a result, the agency held a competition in
1888 to find a more efficient method to process and tabulate data.
Contestants were asked to process 1880 census data from four areas in St
Louis, MO. Whoever captured and processed the data fastest would win a
contract for the 1890 census.....

that the 1880
census counting was completed in 1887.Â* So there is no need to be done
by January 2021.

Census day in every year back to 1930 was April 1
In 1920 it was Jan 1, of all things.
In 1910 it was April 15
In 1900 it iwas June 1

The url above goes back to 1790 but I don't have time to read everything
now.


The problem was the large cuts in funding for the census, which resulted in the the departure of the director of the census, who has not been replaced by trump. Not enough money, and no director - the recipe for inaccuracy.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...o-fail-202575/


The problem is that you can't get a democrat to fill out a census form.Â* Maybe they are too busy filling out fraudulent election ballots.Â* LOL

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