On 16/10/2020 13:30:27, T i m wrote:
On 16 Oct 2020 11:44:57 GMT, Roger Hayter wrote:

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I had weighed the non-vegan egg thing against the concept of the
potential of not (possibly) becoming a bigger burden on the NHS during
a pandemic (I'm sure they will develop a vegan version in the future
and of course we would go for that (even if it cost / cost more) in
the future.

*Personally*, I wouldn't bother to have it.


Viruses will only grow in (suitable) cells. So in practice they are either
human or another animal. And the ethics of some human cell lines are a bit
dubious. Though not affecting vegans per se.

*If* we respect the idea that we *don't* have the moral agency to do
anything with any animal what we choose,

Lets include pets here. Some often have a harder life than any farm animal.
(especially to kill them to
eat, when there are alternatives),

Quite, rather than taking your pet to be put down, there is an alternative.

then if *we* suffer an illness that
doesn't affect the animals, then we shouldn't test anything on the
animals, any more than we should test stuff on anyone who doesn't
volunteer for it.

You benefit from much of the research that was carried out on animals. I
would hope you support organisations like this one? Or are you happy for
loved ones to die from cancer?

https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk...s-beat-cancer/

I suspect you are happy if stents and other procedures were never
tested, buit would you agree to be a guinea pig for such research?
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/ou...ls-in-research

The chances are everone who agree with that if they considered
themselves the target of say aliens for the same 'experimentation' (or
exploitation / consumption etc).

If the aliens were of a higher intelligence was above ours do you think
we would be asked? Were your dogs asked for their consent when their
genitals were mutilated for your pleasure?