On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:54:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 17:48:50 +0100, T i m wrote:

Smiles aside for a second (and I'm asking you this because I consider
you a reasonable and sensible guy), do you ever consider what goes on in
the background (and again, assuming you don't work on a pig / livestock
farm etc), just to provide something on your plate, something you don't
actually need?

Do I consider ? Not really.

Ok, you along with the majority atm no doubt.

Am I aware ? Well several forced viewings of "The Animals Film" as a 6th
former left me in no doubt.

Ok.

In unrelated news, todays dinner is ribeye
steak, gastro chips, onion rings egg and beans with a drop of Malbec.

Ok?

My Dad grew up (not in the UK) making damn sure he never farmed.

Was that something that 'most people' went into then, for him to make
such a statement?

He
actually did quite well renting out farming machinery.

Yeah, the capital cost of some of this stuff is very high and if you
only need to use it a couple of times a year and have it take up
valuable space in between, renting makes sense.

Seeing my Grandad remove a chickens head on the gatepost left me in no
doubts where chicken comes from ...

No, I had no doubt that you knew where such things come from, I just
wondered if you thought anything about the process. You have already
answered that (thanks).

(A friend of mine "moved to the country" to have his 4 kids ... last time
we stayed, the 14 year old girl was explaining how she had to wring a
chickens neck after her dad "made a right horlicks of it" ....)

This is the thing ... I'm not saying that people (including children)
can be de-sensitise to such things and for those people that choose
to eat meat it's just as well there are such people out there to do
that bit for them.

For me it's the dichotomy / disconnection for say caring for a horse
or pet dog or even livestock (that you are only going to kill anyway)?

What is it that allows someone to jump in and stop someone being cruel
to a cat, dog, donkey or horse but allows them to be cruel to a sow,
make chick, dairy cow or male dairy calf (ignoring pate on ducks and
geese etc).

I 'get' *that* they differentiate on the grounds of 'livestock', but
not how they can, other than some form of conditioning?

Give a child an apple and a chicken and it would typically play /
interact with the chicken and eat the apple. Give a lion cub the same
and it would do the opposite.

Cheers, T i m