trader_4 formulated on Wednesday :
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:44:55 PM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

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Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to
him! Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and
catch up with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and
if you start doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing
you're not going to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the
place to start is with all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start
with the cops trying to pull someone over for making an illegal turn or
similar, they won't stop, so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public
roads. That puts many lives at risk, but the cops do it regularly and
sometimes innocent people, the cops or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created
not by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about
getting drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think
about complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a
relatively minor charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the
cop's taser, that created the awful situation for everyone involved. And
the cop that fired, he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do,
not hours or minutes. Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black
community won't make that part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone
that they need to cooperate with police. Instead it's all supposed to be
the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup.

If you let him go, why do you need backup? And if you find him 10 mins
later, with the taser, what's different then? I agree the cops could have
handled it differently, but when you turn around and point a taser that
can put an eye out at a cop and you wind up dead, it's death by stupidity
and I doubt you'll find a jury that will convict the cop. I think the cop
that shot him was not the cop that lost the taser. The defense could be
that the cop didn't know what the perp had grabbed, that he thought it was
or could have been his fellow officer's pistol.




The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.

Stupid doesn't warrant shooting. Pointing a taser or anything similar
at a cop likely does.

Then again, it would have been better for me had they shown the whole
thing where he goes up to the dying man and kicks him and/or stands on
the dying man's shoulders.

I think we should wait for the trial on this one too. No need for any
new signage, just use the old lame "Hand's up don't shoot!" one's -
they are always in style.