On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
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On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

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And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to him!
Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and catch up
with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and if you start
doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing you're not going
to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the place to start is with
all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start with the cops trying to
pull someone over for making an illegal turn or similar, they won't stop,
so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives
at risk, but the cops do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops
or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created not
by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about getting
drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think about
complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a relatively minor
charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the cop's taser, that
created the awful situation for everyone involved. And the cop that fired,
he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do, not hours or minutes.
Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black community won't make that
part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone that they need to cooperate
with police. Instead it's all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup. The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.


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