On Tue, 09 Jun 2020 00:48:30 -0500, Jim Joyce
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2020 00:02:40 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jun 2020 19:41:15 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 11:38:17 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Cars are taxed with a seperate bill when you get a tag. Not sure about
a car tax if it is just sitting around without a tag.

They call that a "fee" here (but it's probably a tax, in effect).
It's based on the (IIRC) MSRP of the car when it was new.



The government gets money and call it a fee or tax, it ammounts to the
same thing.

About like if I shoot someone on the edge of a 10 story building and he
falls over. What did he die of, the bullet, hitting the ground from the
fall, or a heart attack on the way down. He is still dead and I
probably would be charged with killing him even if the bullet was only
in his leg.


I think our county actually calls the car money a tax.
Unless it is a relative, you can not even give anything that requires a
title (another fee/tax) to someone with out paying a tax/fee.
A coworker gave a boat trailer to a friend of his that di d ot have very
much money. The fellow brought the trailer back and said he could not
afford it. The tag people wanted around $ 100 for some kind of county
tax, not counting the title transfer fee and tag fee.

If you add up all the fees and taxes you pay in one form or another to
the government, They get well over half your paycheck.

Well over half? Yikes, that's rough. My best guess is that the government
gets less than 10% of what I earn, but I'm willing to round it up to 10%.

I think they are talking about all taxes, not just the federal income
tax.
You do see state income tax (in most states), real estate tax, sales
tax, various car taxes etc.
That also includes a lot of taxes you don't really see because they
are buried in the price, like excise taxes on gasoline, phones, cable,
electricity, plane tickets, booze (and other sins). You could even
include taxes the corporations pay and pass along to you silently if
you wanted to be circumspect.

Yep, I understand the premise. The Federal tax burden is around 4-6%, and I
figure everything else is 2-3%. Everyone's situation is going to be
different.

Who pays 4-6% Federal income tax? It is certainly not a family making
more than $50-60k. You also have to include the payroll tax that is
over 14% alone on your "first dollar" income. (yes you pay the
employer side with your labor).
Since most states have a sales tax of 6% or more, I am not sure where
the 2-3% comes from either since the less you make, the higher
percentage of your income goes to being spent on your day to day
expenses. Even if you rent, you are still paying the real estate taxes
on your home. It is just hidden in your rent and not deductible for
you.

You really have to be wearing blinders if you don't see how much of
your income goes to taxes. Just federal tax alone is over $11,000 a
year for every man, woman and child in the country.
That doesn't include all the money we put on the cuff for our kids to
pay. (Over $70k each for everyone here, in 2019, before this last
round of irrational borrowing).