On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:31:13 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 27/01/2020 16:49, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 27/01/2020 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:32:40 -0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 27/01/2020 13:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do some glaziers fit the beading on the outside of windows? Surely,
common sense tells us to put the part you can easily remove on the
inside, for security.

Windows and doors may be glazed internally or externally.

Internal glazing means that the glass units are installed with glazing
beads inserted into the frames from the inside.

External glazing means that the glass units are installed with glazing
beads inserted into the frames from the outside.

Both are equally secure, provided either security tape or glass locks
are installed, with external beading.

How can external beading be secure? The burglar just does the reverse
of what the installer did. I've done it to my own and my neighbour's
windows very easily. Them because they locked themselves out, mine so
I could get a sofa into the house which wouldn't fit through the
stupidly narrow hall.

What is "security tape" - the word tape makes me think it's easily
removed.

What are "glass locks"? Surely just put the beading on the inside,
then you don't need whatever those are.

Externally glazed widows tend to have thinner frames and look more
aesthetically pleasing rather than the thick framed internally beaded
units.

Internally beaded widows can be easily kicked in. Modern externally
glazed windows have security tape (double sided tape with a rubber
filler)_ on the iside of the glass securing it to the frame. This makes
is virtually impossible to remove the glass from the outside even after
removing the beads. You need inside access to prise away the glass from
the tape.

Granted older type glazing from the 70's and 80's was externally beaded
but did not have security measures fitted.

Properly installed, older type glazing, without security tape, was not
that insecure. When the external beading was clipped in, the glass was
still loose. The glass was clamped into place (also jamming the external
beading tight against the frame) by tapping (quite hard) a rubber seal
between the glass and the inner frame.

Mine was installed in 2005, I removed (and successfully and neatly replaced) the external beading, entirely from the outside, to remove the glass to get a sofa into the house. 5 minutes and a small screwdriver was all that was required. I made no noise at all.

Any house is a piece of **** to break in to if you put your mind to it,
it's just a question of difficulty.

It seems a common way at the moment is melting part of the frame to
remove the glazing.

Good idea. I was thinking a multitool, but that's loud.

What really amuses me is PVC doors with 7 point locks. But you can just put your foot through the PVC panel....