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On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

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Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
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The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else? How about Australia for
example? Plenty of minorities, hardcore unemployed there too, but
there murder rate with guns is .8 compared to our 12.


If you don't see the difference, there is no sense talking any more.
Were they born out of a revolution that overthrew the government with
force and violence?

Sure, many have. France for example and at the same time period
as the US revolution. France's homicide rate by guns, 0.2. The US 12.
The homicide rate does correlate pretty well with the rate of gun ownership
though. Funny too, the French didn't go on to live 225 years later
in paranoia feeling they need guns.

France doesn't have guns because when they drop them they might break
a toe. I have an 1886 Lebel that was never fired and only dropped
twice, once in 1914 and once in 1940.

Well, there you have it. As if the French didn't know for the last
two hundred years that fine guns are available the world over.
Including Germany and Italy, right next door.




Did any of those countries have a civil war that killed 3 % of the
population then did not deal with the original issue of integrating
the slaves for 150 years ... and counting?

We have not dealt with the issues of integration? What exactly do
you suggest we do?


We have had this discussion, Maybe not have had the war in the first
place.

That shipped sailed a hundred and fifty years ago. I asked about what
you would do now, since you claim we have not dealt with integration.




It is really not my job to say what they should have done. It
is clear we ****ed it up tho.

I'd say if you claim we have not dealt with integration, then you should
be able to tell us what we have not done, that needs to be done.

I said, it is not my problem to solve.
I am not sure there is a good answer but if you wanted to stop most of
the murders you would ban people of color from owning guns. We all
know that is unconstitutional on several points.



Are they walking distance from an active war zone in Central America
or the drug gangs in Mexico?

Have they had a failed social welfare policy for a half century?

Well, if the US is such a melting pot of violence, with all kinds of
bad actors as the result of events 150 to 225 years ago, that's an
excellent reason that we should have a reasonable permit process,
with a real background check by the local police, BEFORE anyone
can buy a gun. Why should those people you're talking about,
be able to walk into Dicks and buy guns like they were beer?
They can be hate filled, have long arrest records, known mental
problems, be drug users, yet they can buy guns just like beer?
That makes no sense to me, nor to much of America. Call me radical.


You really can't buy guns like beer. There is a required federal
background check and a number of other restrictions in GCA 68 and all
of the subsequent amendments but thanks for playing our game.


But you insist that you have to be able to walk into Dicks and buy
whatever you want, on the spot. You refuse to institute a reasonable
permit process with an actual field background check by the local police.
That's closer to buying beer than the permit processes that actually
check a person's background and that work, eg those in foreign countries
or those that are done in some states like NJ.

Your idea is to give any local LEO veto power over anyone buying a gun
on a hunch that they might not be worthy. That is not a decent answer
either.

A permit process is not only a decent answer, it's been the law in NJ for
4 decades to buy a pistol, other states, other countries too.
And the permit process is
not based on a hunch, it's based on facts that are found by the local
police doing a real background check. We don't need our guns here like
beer and cigarettes, just walk in and buy what you want.

OK all of you homicide cops in Camden, Newark and Atlantic City, go
home, we don't need you anymore, we have this law.

No, we don't have the law across the US, that's the problem, guns are
flowing into those cities from states that have no effective gun control,
like FL.


I just heard of two incidents of guns being stolen from unlocked cars.
Who is stupid enough to leave a gun in an unlocked car? Or even a
locked one. This is in a nice middle income neighborhood, not a ghetto.