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Default Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:00:18 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:26:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:


Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for
about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral
for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that
has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years).

Also factor in that for 95%+ of that period, whatever burning was going
on was to heat a small cave, a hovel, or a couple of ten by ten rooms.


Burning is not the problem, the loss of native vegetation and forest
land is. A farm that is bare dirt or emerging plants for most of the
year is not removing much CO2. When you plow everything under you
didn't eat it is the same as burning it and everything you eat is also
burned. 6.6 billion people belching out CO2 and farting methane is
also not an insignificant amount. That is before we start looking at
their animals.


And again, your scientific illiteracy rears its ugly head. Without
adding fossil carbon to the atmosphere, there would be no excess regardless
of how many people are respirating and passing gas; on any scale that
matters, the carbon usage would be neutral (the carbon being exhaled was
plant matter or meat a few days earlier, and will become plant matter or
meat a few days or months later).

Taking carbon that _hasn't_ been in the atomosphere for hundreds of millions
of years and adding it back _does_ alter the balance, and not in a good way.


Removing vegetation still upsets that balance. Nature did not envision
farms either.
That still brings us back to the question I asked "How are we going to
stop it"? The western world could stop using fossil fuels completely
(in some dream world) but the other 5 billion people will still use
what they can afford. It is like those people who say banning plastic
straws is going to halt plastic pollution. (Ignoring the cup, the lid,
the package the drink, cup and lid came to the restaurant in).