On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:23:51 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 11/16/2019 3:44 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:39:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:42:55 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:16:28 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:00:14 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 04:57:16 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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You do have to take into account the market had just crashed and a
good percentage of that gain was just getting back to normal. Keeping
a rally going is as hard as watching the recovery from a crash.

I guarantee you there will be a big crash if they do succeed in
removing Trump

Yeah, right. Removing trump will fire up the market assuming his
successor manages to convince the rest of the world that trump
was an abberation instead of a new normal (but we're
still screwed in the long run due to the trump tax cuts and
insane annual budget deficits).

If you get democrats with the Sanders Warren tilt to their politics
they will target corporations with excessive regulations and taxes,
remove tax incentives to invest and generally scare investors enough
to make 1929 or 2009 look like a minor correction in the market.

Nonsense. Corporations existed for seven decades with more
stringent restrictions and taxes than today and we did just fine.

We were not in a global economy then. There was no real competition
and moving your operation offshore was much harder, if not impossible.


and it might not be one we recover from in my lifetime.
The middle class still hasn't recovered from the malaise after they
removed Nixon. .

You're confused again. The economic malaise had nothing to do with
Nixon and everything to do with the embargo.

There are plenty of economists who say the middle class never
recovered.

Never recovered from _what_ exactly? From the embargo and associated
economic malaise? Certainly not from the impeachment/resignation,
which nobody gave a **** about after 6 months.

It started the political divide that still exists today and that was
also when we decided deficits no longer mattered. The only thing that
is holding down double digit inflation is the Fed's thumb on the scale
and that can't last much longer. The only thing that is holding up the
economy these days is the blind faith and credit of the US.
I am not going to say Trump did any better but it is a 45 year old
problem, not helped by a forced resignation and what will now be two
impeachments. That does not bode well for the republic.
The day the world markets decide we are really just another banana
republic selling worthless paper, interest rates will spike and we
won't be able to cover them with our revenue.
We take in about $2.4 trillion if you exclude FICA that is spent
before we even get it and at a Carter era interest rate (11-12%) that
would barely cover the interest on the $22T debt.
That leaves nothing for anything else the government needs to spend
money on. Taxing the Forbes 400 at 90% won't even make a dent in that
deficit. All it will do is make them move their money offshore making
our problems worse.

Your saying it, doesn't make it true. Provide some citations to actual,
you know, research that supports your supposition.

Which part confuses you? That Carter had a 11-12% interest rate on
federal paper. That is fact
That the debt is $22T? Fact
That 12% of $22T is $2.64T? Fact
That the total revenue minus the FICA is $2.4T? Fact
That the fact that the FICA is not even covering the outlay for the
people we promised it to? Fact

You can't just say "NO" without being ready to tell me what part is
wrong. Tell me which one is not true.

Interest rates on govt debt arent going back to 11-12%

And you know this how?


Mortgage rates were 22% when I bought this house. Fortunately I was
able to assume the 6% existing mortgage on the property!!!!


Mine were 9% and they were heading up after that. Smart thing I did was
take 20 year mortgage and pay it off in 18.

I was lucky to lock in 7.25% in 1971. It was already creeping up. The
rate went up .25% from the time we signed the contract on the house
and the time the note went through (about a week).
I ended up getting $2,000 off the price of the house because the
contract was based on 7% and I had already taken posession of the
house.