michael adams wrote:

"The Todal" wrote in message
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On 02/11/2019 11:04, Stephen Cole wrote:
Omega wrote:
What is Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit position?

Form a Labour government, negotiate a Labour deal, put that deal to a
referendum vs Remain. HTH.


Not only is it a clear and logical policy, it's also the only policy
that makes good sense.

But the whole point, as has become apparent in the last three years, is
that there is no possibility of securing a deal which would both satisfy
the xenophopes and protect UK industry and commerce. The EU are going to
insist on free movement of labour as a necessary component of our
continued membership of the single market and customs union. Without
continued membership of the SM and CU UK industry and services are
severely disadvantaged and will take years to recover if at all.

There simply is no middle way. And so its difficult to see what there is
for Labour to further negotiate over or present as a meaningful
alternative to staying in, in any referendum.

It depends what you think is better. Labour wants to keep most EU
advantages. Therefore will probably negotiate something like a Norway
deal. This has the advantage that there won't be much to talk about
during the transition period, because we're already there. But we will
have nominally left the EU and have no responsibility for, or control
over, its political direction. We will stil be able to influence
detailed regs, as is Norway. Then we can choose between this and
remaining. Suits everyone except the most extreme and articulate
leavers. It really doesn't matter which vote the Labour Party supports
as the population can make up its own minds.

Personally I'd do a three way vote with a no-deal complete break and
some form of second vote. The conssensus seems to be that this would be
too difficult for the leavers to understand. If so, we could do what
the Americans do with a similarly educationally challenged population
and have what they call a "run-off" vote. I've actually forgetten what
we call a second vote in these circumstances.

I don't think the Labour Party will go for the latter solution though,
as I think everyone knows the no deal would be eliminated in the first
round.



All that has happened since the referendum is a succession of
politicians Davies, Fox, May, and now Johnson all insisting they could get
a better deal than their predeccessors - that failure was down to their
incompetence rather than the EU sticking to its basic principles. And
there's no reason to think that Corbyn or anyone else would fare any
better,



Brexit Party - a damaging no-deal Brexit and the hope that we can patch
together a deal after we leave

LibDems - ignore the Leave voters because we know that Remain is the
best policy and if we get into government we'll assume that all our
voters want Remain

Tories - an unsatisfactory Boris deal that many think is rather worse
than Theresa's deal, but possibly the best we can achieve, and the
electorate can like it or lump it because Boris will impose it on the
nation and will assume that the majority want it.


michael adams

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