On 01/11/2019 06:37, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:26:50 on Thu, 31 Oct
2019, Steve Walker remarked:
On 31/10/2019 08:23, Roland Perry wrote:
In message l.net,
atÂ* 19:57:08 on Wed, 30 Oct 2019, Dave Liquorice
remarked:

Good that the Grenfell enquiry may lead to a change in the "in case of
fire, stay put" advice to people in tower blocks.

For Grenfell, as designed and built, that was the correct advice.
Each flat had a 60 minute fire resistance. The orginal fire was
extinguished within the single flat well within 60 minutes.

The problem was that some **** had wrapped the building in highly
flamable plastic, aluminium and insulation that the small flat fire
ignigted.
Â*The problem (with the Fire brigade's command and control) was that
theyÂ* didn't change the advice to the residents when it was clear
that theÂ* fire wasn't being contained in one flat.

They had no way of quickly communicating the change to residents

They were phoning 999 in droves.

and for the person in charge, it would have been a huge responsibility
anyway. It is bad enough when you stick to the rules and things go
wrong, but imagine that that person had quickly decided to reverse the
rule in place

The rule should not have been in place in the form it was, especially
after Lakanal. And training should have been given in when to start an
evacuation. That's why the LFB was criticised by the enquiry.

But the rule *was* still in place and the person in charge had to work
to those rules or decide to break them and take the personal risk of
doing so.

SteveW