In message , at 18:26:50 on Thu, 31 Oct
2019, Steve Walker remarked:
On 31/10/2019 08:23, Roland Perry wrote:
In message l.net,
at 19:57:08 on Wed, 30 Oct 2019, Dave Liquorice
remarked:

Good that the Grenfell enquiry may lead to a change in the "in case
of
fire, stay put" advice to people in tower blocks.

For Grenfell, as designed and built, that was the correct advice.
Each flat had a 60 minute fire resistance. The orginal fire was
extinguished within the single flat well within 60 minutes.

The problem was that some **** had wrapped the building in highly
flamable plastic, aluminium and insulation that the small flat fire
ignigted.
The problem (with the Fire brigade's command and control) was that
they didn't change the advice to the residents when it was clear that
the fire wasn't being contained in one flat.

They had no way of quickly communicating the change to residents

They were phoning 999 in droves.

and for the person in charge, it would have been a huge responsibility
anyway. It is bad enough when you stick to the rules and things go
wrong, but imagine that that person had quickly decided to reverse the
rule in place

The rule should not have been in place in the form it was, especially
after Lakanal. And training should have been given in when to start an
evacuation. That's why the LFB was criticised by the enquiry.

and even a single person died, they personally would be blamed. That
they eventually changed to evacuating people is majorly to their credit
and bravery in taking personal responsibility.

The majority of people who escaped did so quite early on (about an hour
into the fire). I was another hour and a half before the stay-put policy
was abandoned.
--
Roland Perry