On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:50:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
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On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 1:21:14 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 08:58:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 11:48:01 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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You'd think that would be already going on, but sadly last time I looked,
the stats on that were stunning. It was something like out of 90,000
failing the background check, only 50 or so were prosecuted. The overwhelming
number of fails have to be because of felony records. So, a felon tries to
buy a gun, a crime, and the feds ignore it. That;s an example where the
gun rights people are right, there are laws we already have that are not
being enforced.




Exectally. It is time for the police or whatever agency is in charge to
do their job or be fired and replaced.

AFAIK, nothing much really happens. IDK who's charter it is, ATF maybe.
But from all I've seen, you try to buy a gun, you fail, which in probably
90%+ of the cases it's because you have a felony record, and nothing
apparently happens. That is something that Trump could lobby for and fix.

It should certainly be a parole violation if this was a serious crime
but I doubt those kind of guys are going into gun stores because they
have too much to lose. The Odessa guy got probation before judgement
and the charges were dropped after he did his probation. I bet he
thought he was OK. He probably didn't know his mental adjudication
would pop on the instant check.

The question remains who exactly are all these tens of thousands of
people who are failing the check, why they are failing and why almost
none are prosecuted.

I would suggest you ask that government that you think could
accomplish something with more checks.
We already said a lot are false hits, just a guy with the same name
and that happens a lot. Then there are mental health holds and I am
not sure what law they are breaking by trying. It is illegal for a
felon to try to buy a weapon but I am not sure if there is even a law
against a person with a troubling medical history. That is fairly new
ground and most mental issues still carry the right to some privacy.
I am sure, if the press was doing their job, they would research it.
This recent shooting does pretty much demonstrate no law was going to
stop him from getting a gun since he got it from a manufacturer who
was operating illegally.
Sorry

I have no probelm with a backgound check if it is done and completed
like is required in 3 days or less.


You're not going to do a reasonable background check in just 3 days.
What's the big rush?



Do you really think a guy is going to submit a 4473 for an illegally
manufactured gun? Get real here.

What lead you to believe I said or implied that?


We are still waiting for details but
the last story I heard was the gun itself was illegal.

I haven't seen that, only that it's all being investigated.


The words used in the cut and paste that keeps getting repeated is the
gun was manufactured illegally.

"On September 4, The Wall Street Journal and news station KCBD
reported that the FBI and law enforcement in Lubbock served a search
warrant to a person of interest, suspected of illegally manufacturing
and selling the rifle in connection with the shooting."

I am curious
what happened tho. For all we know the Lubbock guy had nothing to do
with this and the ATF was just looking for a good excuse to raid him
for unrelated charges.

Well that would be something. You're saying the gun didn't come from
him, they just picked some other guy and turned it into a big media
event with false information?


I am saying they may think that is where he got the gun and I also
suspect the ATF may have been building a case against the Lubbock guy
for a while and this gave them a "reasonable cause" for a warrant they
might not have been able to get before.
The silence is deafening about the results of the raid. I haven't
heard about any charges yet and if they had a decent case, like a
direct link to the guy, I think we would have seen some by now.
The tell will be if the Lubbock guy gets charged with a number of
firearms violations but nothing directly connecting him to this
particular gun.
That would put us back at square one.



You know damn good and well if you tell a judge
this guy may have had something to do with a mass shooting, you will
get your warrant.

And if it's a lie, your evidence will get excluded, your case goes into
the toilet. Not to mention the embarassment when the media finds out
the truth.

Not really, If they can show they had other evidence that this guy was
illegally manufacturing weapons, it was in the warrant application and
they find that evidence confirmed in a raid, the case goes on. They
just don't get to charge him with accessory to the murders.
If that happens, his case may just disappear into the ether and be
settled with a plea that shows up on page 26 of the Lubbock
Avalanche-Journal if at all. Most technical firearms violations end up
with a fine, although it can be ten grand (up to 100 grand). He will
have that in lawyer fees before he even gets to court.