On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:50:26 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/9/2019 7:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:11:53 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 9/9/2019 9:41 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
I hate to bring up a subject loaded with landmines, but alas, I can't
think of who else to ask.

A popular position on abortion is that there should be an exception for
rape and incest.

I certainly understand an exception for rape. The girl or woman didn't
do anything to cause the pregnancy and who wants to give birth to the
child of a rapist.


I don't understand the exception for rape. The unborn baby did nothing
wrong and if you believe abortion is wrong, that it's taking a human life,
then how the hell do you sanction murder because a woman doesn't want to
give birth to the child of a rapist?




OTOH, who wants to give up for adoption one's own
child, even if the father was a rapist.

Well, obviously someone who doesn't want to keep the child fathered
by the rapist. Seems turning the baby over for adoption is humane
and preferable to killing it.





And is what makes a man a
rapist even slightly genetic? If so, who wants to keep it or even give
it away?

Maybe you should figure this out first? AFAIK, no one has shown any
such genetic trait.





But why is an exception for incest so popular?

Amazing that you see no issue with an exception for rape, but do with

As usual, you jump to conclusions. I didn't say I had no issue with it.
I said I understood it. And then I explained it. While one might not
think that the reason is adequate, a normal person ought to be able to
see that it's a reason.

You certainly framed it in a way that seems more than simply "understanding it":


"I certainly understand an exception for rape. The girl or woman didn't
do anything to cause the pregnancy and who wants to give birth to the
child of a rapist. OTOH, who wants to give up for adoption one's own
child, even if the father was a rapist. And is what makes a man a
rapist even slightly genetic? If so, who wants to keep it or even give
it away? "


And all I did was say that I don't understand it, that there is no logic
there. Butch up snowflake. I mean you make a post which you say
involves "landmines", then you bitch about a very benign reply?
Might be a good idea to choose a title that actually reflects what the
post is about too.

A judge has recently ordered that a rape victim who kept her child
cannot move away from her rapist, and has to give him rights to
visitation to her child. I can't think of a better motivation for an
abortion if that's where the insanity of right wing "justice" is going.

Who is this judge and what evidence do you have that he's right wing?
Sounds more like what silly lib judges do to me, ie favor criminals.




Would you accept your daughter having to deal with that invasion of her
life? Having to accept her rapist as part of her child's life,
influencing the child's development?

I would appeal the decision. You have the actual case? And I would
favor legislation to change the law so stupid, crazy judges can't do
this. We don't frame other laws around what one stupid judge might do.

It is the kind of idiotic decisions you get when sperm has civil
rights just because it bumped into an egg.
As far as I am concerned if you don't have a uterus you don't have the
right to tell people that do, who can live there.

I agree with the left on this when they say most right to lifers think
life starts at conception and public responsibility stops at birth.


Opinion can also come from life circumstances. Both my kids are against
abortion. Their reasoning is simple. Both had a birth mother that got
pregnant at a young age. If abortion was easy back then the mother may
have taken that course and they would not exist. They like the life
they were born into and grew up with,

I'm pretty sure that if abortion had been readily available in 1956, I
wouldn't be here to type this.

The thought doesn't bother me. I wasn't sitting around some cosmic
waiting room ready to be inserted into a body.

Cindy Hamilton