On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 12:15:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 12:40:29 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 21:23:25 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 6 Sep 2019 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy
Hamilton wrote:

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 12:33:43 PM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Life in America has become so dangerous that people have resorted to
extreme measures to reclaim basic safety we take for granted.

Curved hallways to reduce a gunmans line of vision, hiding spots that
can fit up to 30 students and bulletproof windows are sadly becoming the
norm in American schools.

With mass shootings on the rise in the US and becoming deadlier €” there
have been 287 in 2019, according to the Gun Violence Archive €” schools
are being renovated to add built-in security features, with the hope of
protecting students in the event of an active shooter situation.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...672043a02fb4e5
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Bod

It occurs to me that schools provide amenities so that they can "sell"
themselves. Some areas allow students to attend not the closest school,
but one that their parents prefer for one reason or another. A school
saying, "We have all the latest features to ensure the safety of your
child during a mass shooting" might enable them to lure a better class
of parent, even if the likelihood of a shooting at any particular school
is quite small.

Why would they want a better class of parent? Although districts can
build new schools through bond funding, operating expenses can still
be quite tight. Better parents can mobilize to ensure that operating
expenses are covered, even if they have to pay out of their own pockets.

Cindy Hamilton

I don't disagree, except for your use of "better". You mean parents
with more money.

Since I'm posting and we're being cynical, I'll say that if any are
building new schools with curved halls, it's more so they won't be
liable in a lawsuit if anyone gets shot, and less because there is some
substantial chance of anyone getting shot. Or maybe to lower their
insurance premium.

A lot of what they are doing is pretty cheap in new construction.
Little things like those barriers in the hall are just a little extra
block for the mason but it makes that hall a lot more daunting for a
shooter. If every 20 or 30 feet there is a barrier on both sides of
the hall that might be hiding a cop with a gun or a ****ed off gym
teacher with a baseball bat it gives them a lot more to worry about
and takes a lot of their advantage away. Police drills demonstrate a
guy with a knife, 21 feet away is going to stab you before you can
shoot him. (The Tuller Drill)

That's against a cop with a holstered pistol, which is a bit different than
a crazy murderer with a semi-auto rifle, who is ready to fire at will.


Not really,

Yes, really. The Tueller drill is with a holstered pistol. And clearly
that matters when you're talking about someone with a knife, a short
distance away, closing that distance before you can shoot them.
It also applies to your active shooter scenario, where the guy doesn't have
his AK-47 holstered. A perp walking down the hallway, AK-47 out and
pointing, is going to have an advantage over someone with a pistol
that's holstered. Meaning it seems highly unlikely someone cowering
behind one of those abutments is going to be able to rush him and
disarm him. Also, those cowering in a school, typically wou;dn't have
knives or baseball bats. I have no problem with building abutments,
but from a practical standpoint, I doubt abutments would do much.
They could also be used by the shooter.



They are talking about reaction time from a "ready"
position. A draw and fire for the average cop takes a lot longer than
the second or so we are talking about

This stuff would stop pretty quickly if
the pictures of the shooters show them in a bloody heap on the floor
before they get to shoot many people.

I think that's unlikely, because these whackos are not thinking logically.
If they were they would not be committing mass murder to begin with.
It's like the death penalty no stopping murder.


That is the picture the media should publish. We see mug shots of the
ones who give up, why not closeups of the ones who shoot themselves or
get shot from the most gruesome angles possible. It wouldn't break my
heart if all of them were shot "trying to escape" or something.
Perhaps just a wound that puts them in a wheelchair and pooping in a
bag for the rest of their miserable life in prison.
Maybe the reality of that might make it seem a little less glamorous.

I have no problem with trying it, but again they are deranged and I doubt
any of that enters into their mind.

These guys only see people in orange jump suits. or stories about a
quick suicide. I have never seen one laying in a bloody heap with a
giant hole in their head. This is not unprecedented. We used to have
to watch bloody car crash movies in school.

like I said, I have no problem with trying it. I'll do whatever is logical,
that could help, from a reasonable permit process with actual background
investigation before gun purchases to showing the bad guys shot up.