On 09/09/2019 13:02, tim... wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 08/09/2019 22:39, Steve Walker wrote:
On 08/09/2019 10:29, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Steve Walker
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On 08/09/2019 07:10, Stephen Cole wrote:




Whats the point of all of this, Brian? What do you people genuinely
believe were going to gain from all this upheaval and madness?

Freedom to make our own choices, set our own laws, hold our own
government to account for allowing large numbers of immigrants
overloading already limited resources and infrastructure, reduce
the downward pressure on low-end wages.

We don't seem to have any difficulties setting our own laws. Hasn't
Parliament has just set one (subject to Royal assent on Monday)?

Can we decide on whether we want tracking in our new vehicles?
Expensive safety systems that make only a little difference to
safety, but render vehicles uneconomic to repair after only slight
damage?

Probably not as it will be uneconomicto produce many variants and get
them through the approvals with fundementally differen designs. Its
one thing swapping an engine or a few body panels, its something else
to build a new car from the ground up.

but it does mean that we can say "a not working thingamajig is no longer
an MOT failure"

I just had to scrap a car because some functionally unnecessary, but
mandatory, additional thingy broke and cost more to replace than the car
was worth.

Want to say what it was?


To reduce or raise import tariffs on certain goods?

Probably, but it depends. Others can raise disputes if they think we
are abussing the WTO system.

That would be charging differential tariffs (which are legal, but have
to be justified)

simply setting a high tariff for all, is not an abuse of the system


At what level VAT should be set?

The UK government has set the VAT rates on everything.
The EU just has a rule that says you can't put VAT on something and
then take it off willynilly.


Whether any VAT is due on particular goods?

The UK government negotiated what we were putting VAT on.

No we didn't

Of course we did, why don't we have VAT on childrens cloths when the
rest of the EU does?
Why didn't we have VAT on energy until the UK government decided that a
carbon tax was a good idea and used VAT to collect it?
You really do talk cock.


the rules were already in place when we joined.

It was the UK government that put VAT on electricity and gas not the EU.

but the rules says that once we put it on (a new category) we cannot
take it off again

So, we still put it on not the EU.


To control immigration?

We might be able to, we can now for immigrants but don't and they are
about 60% of the net migration into the UK.

Non-EU immigration all fits into the category of:

Highly skilled workers (with a job offer) or joining family members to
be supported by the family already here

Almost none of the ROW immigration comes here to take up minimum wage
work and scrounge on the welfare state.

yet elderly parents are allowed in and get OAP and benefits.


That's the problem with EU immigration - that it's possible for them to
do that, not that they all do.

And the list goes on.

And like all brexiteers you have chosen a set that are not implimented
by the EU but by the UK government, its almost as though brexiteers
don't have a clue.

and your misunderstanding of ROW immigration show that you don't have a
clue either

you don't appear to understand row immigration, a lot of them do get
benefits.