On 7/29/19 6:42 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 6:02:21 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Jul 2019 02:17:22 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 00:00:22 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 23:50:11 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:31:46 -0000 (UTC), "Arlen G.
Holder" wrote:

From the US homeowner's perspective of working backward from a wall outlet
o What is the difference between ground and neutral in the US?

A friend is debugging why the washing machine metal case is hot only when

BTW, there is suppposed to be a separate wire from a cabinet screw in
the washing machine metal case to a ground, often clamped onto a cold
water pipe (assuming they aren't plastic. It has to be cold, not hot,
which wends its way through the water heater.).

This seems to me like the part of installation easiest to forget,
because there is no jack for that wire in the machine and no wire
dangling from the machine until you attach one. And lots of people
install washing machines without reading the directions.

But I'd make sure it's there and I'd put it on if it's not. I don't
know what happens when there is already a problem and the missing wire
is installed, but that's the way it should be.


the water pipes are hooked up and water flowing through them when I tried
to explain to that homeowner over the phone the difference between ground
and neutral - where - I'm not sure I have it all figured out myself.
Not true in North Ameica - where is this throretical washing
machine located??

I didn't want to argue with Micky but that is usually the dryer and it
was a way around that 3 wire plug, as border line illegal as it was.
Typically you attached the green wire to the center screw in the
washer receptacle cover. The NEC has not talked about grounding to
cold water pipes since we were wearing tie dyed T shirts and bell
bottoms. (72 code? Maybe 75?)

Sorry about that. I guess I was thinking about a washing machine from
that time frame.


AFAIK, there never was a washing machine of that timeframe or any timeframe,
where they told you to run a separate wire between a non-existent
ground terminal in the washing machine and a cold water pipe.
He's telling you the NEC hasn't talked about grounding anything to cold
water pipes for a long time. I've never seen any washing machine that
required anything beyond the cord and plug provided.




I do remember Whirlpool washers from around 1980 had a green ground wire attached to the cabinet and the other end was to be attached to an
electrical ground. This was in addition to the 3-prong plug.

Our 2018 Whirlpool horizontal axis machine does not have the additional green ground wire.