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But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel
installation.

**** all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double
sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan
even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt
that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 -
$5,000 -
and up
for Solar Panels!

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a
House!! ....
*NOT*

Please enlighten us where we can buy a useful solar panel
system
for
$2500 - $5000 or did you drop a zero?

https://www.eurosolar.com.au/ 22 x 275W panels for $3,791, so
no,
I
didn't drop a zero!

Bugger!! I paid about $4,500 for my 20 panel system just two
years
ago!!

--
Daniel

Wow, it sure is cheap to the customer there.Â* Do you know if
the
govt is
putting a subsidy into that?Â* Here in the USA, AFAIK, the cost
would be
at least 4 times that.

Maybe it depends what country they're made in?Â* Those are big
heavy
fragile things to ship internationally.

Well, most of them are made in China and looks like Trump has a
55%
tariff
on them.Â* Congratulations for finding a good example of how
Trump's
tariffs
are hitting Americans and not being paid by China, like Trump
lies.
It's still a big difference in cost.Â* Here, you'd think that $3800
would
be mostly eaten up just by labor costs to do the installation,
with
all the work involved.

Why don't you make your own in America?

There is a federal tax credit of 30%, so
assuming you pay taxes, you'd reduce it by ~ $6K, but still it
would
cost about 3 times your cost.Â* Just all the labor is
substantial.

What labour, easy enough to do it yourself.

The vast majority of home owners don't have the skills and
would not
know
where to start. Only a very small percentage are DIY.

Even I could do it, it's easier than changing the oil in my car.

Sure, I believe that. Wiring in a grid tied inverter, doing the
rest o
the wiring to code.....Â*Â* I'd venture that only a small percentage of
those
who can do an oil change could do it right and that's after
spending a
lot
of time researching how to do it right.Â* We see pics here all the
time
of
DIY wiring, where people can't even install a light fixture
correctly.

You must have some really thick people.Â* FFS the damn things come with
instructions!

Not for feeding the grid they don't.

Of course they do, why wouldn't they?

Because that isnt up to the installer.

Even things that are installed professionally have instructions.

And those instructions also *assume* that the installer is a correctly
trained and, where appropriate, licenced installer. As such, the
instructions are not aimed at *beginners*.

Same is true of the installation manuals for electric receptacles,
light fixtures, dishwashers, ovens, garbage disposals, water heaters,
furnaces..... Yet it's perfectly legal here in most
parts of the US for a homeowner to install those themselves.





Vehicle factory workshop
manuals are no different which is why Gregorys and other publishers
bring out step by step how-to books for car repair.

I've seen both factory manuals and aftermarket ones, eg Chiltons,
Bentley and I don't see a lot of difference. I thought the main purpose
of the aftermarket ones was to offer something to the DIYer when
the factory ones either may not be available at all to a DIY or
the aftermarket ones are a lot cheaper.






All you do is connect the wires where the manual says to, you don't
even
need to understand how it works.

Doesn't get you paid for what you feed into the grid.

All you do is get someone round to check it's wired up right and certify
it.

Wrong again.

Prove it.

Try it in Australia. Also, with unlicenced/unregistered installations,
if a fire or similar occurs and the insurance assessor notes unlicenced
work, the claim will be dismissed even if the work had nothing to do
with the cause of the fire.


Then you have a crooked insurance company and you should go straight to
the regulators. You car catches fire in the garage, burns the house
down and they can deny the claim because someone unlicensed put in a
receptacle in the bathroom?

People have made the claim that work you did without a permit, if it
was SHOWN that incompetent work actually CAUSED the fire, would result
in the claim being denied. But every time we ask for some examples,
no one has been able to produce a single one. I know of only one
case where that happened and it was exceptional, with a lot of documented
evidence to support it.

And I don't see anyone here suggesting people do anything illegal,
ie install a solar system without a permit and required inspections.
As a homeowner, most places in the US, you can obtain the permit,
DIY and have whatever work you do inspected.