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On 12/19/2018 11:36 AM, William Gothberg wrote:
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On 12/19/18 5:23 AM, William Gothberg wrote:
Do switch mode power supplies flicker in time with mains?
Specifically
LED power supplies in commercially available domestic lamps.
By
in
time, I don't mean at the same 50/60Hz, but anchored to it.
I.e.
if
you
have several such lamps each with their own built in supply,
will
they
all flicker in time, using the mains frequency to keep them
in
time, or
will they be random, making the room overall not flicker due
to
them all
being random? And is there any way I can test this? I tried
taking
photos of them, but my camera only goes as fast as 1/2000th
of
a
second,
which shows all the lights at the same brightness each time,
I
suspect
the flicker is above 2000Hz.

I once had an audio amplifier with a solar cell rather than a
microphone
for the input transducer. This made it possible to listen to
light.
The
sun is steady, incandescent lights (AC powered) hum.

That was 40 years ago. Maybe something like that would work
today.

The trouble is I want to compare 2kHz+ from one light with
2kHz+
from
a neighbouring light and see if they're in sync.

Maybe use a dual trace oscilloscope?

Haven't got one unfortunately.

Since this landed in alt.home.repair, I gotta ask. Do you have
single-phase or two-phase?

Single. I'm in the UK.
so 50 Htz - you can almost see an incandescent flicker at that
frequency (at 25 you could)

(also rules out the previously mentioned "engineer friend")

Lights flicker at twice the frequency, once for positive cycle, and
once
for negative cycle. LEDs only once unles using a bridge rectifier,
or
steady on using DC. Even though blinking they look normal straight
on,
my
brain says something is wrong

Some brains (or eyes) seem to be faster than others. I can easily
(and
annoyingly) see flicker on CRT monitors below 90Hz, others don't
even
see
the 50 or 60Hz ones. I can see flicker on 80% of car LED lights,
others
don't see any. Designers really ought to account for those of us
with
better eyesight.

No point in doing that.

There is when half the population is capable of seeing it.

Half the population isnt.

Then you must know a lot of people with ****ed eyesight.

Nothing ****ed about not seeing flicker on car lights.

Your eyes are clearly operating more slowly,

Nope, just a lower flicker fusion threshold

at a lower frame rate.

Eyes don't have a frame rate.

The eyes and the brain together have a frame rate. Easily measured.

Why only sell things suitable for those with ****ty eyesight?

They are actually designed to work fine for all but freaks.

Why would you call someone with better eyes a freak?

Worse eyes when you see flicker with car lights.

No, I see what's really there.

No you don't. Most obviously with higher flicker rates that you don't see
either.

I see more than you do. Why buy a 25fps video camera when you can buy a 50fps video camera?

If you can't see the flicker that I can, then your eyes aren't as good
as mine.

Nothing good about eyes that see flicker everywhere.

We see what is really there, you don't.

Still ****ed to have all car lights flicker. You're a freak.

But they are flickering.

But its better not to see that. You're a freak.

It is better to see what is really there. What other things are you missing in life?

Go film one with a video camera, or just look up a video of one.

I know they flicker, that's irrelevant to
whether it makes any sense to see that.

I don't see any flicker with movies and it makes no sense
to be able to be see the flicker that is certainly there.

You don't see it because CRTs had phosphors to match the frame rate, they would stay lit for the 50th of a second between each illumination. Same is done now with LCDs. Only cheap rubbish TVs and monitors don't match the phosphor timing with the scan timing.