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Default Anyone got any good xmas diyish gift / gadget ideas?



"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 15/12/2018 09:40, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 02:50:33 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 14/12/2018 20:30, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:07:33 +0000, ARW wrote:

On 14/12/2018 16:29, T i m wrote:

We have even threatened to send a video of the few Xmyth cards we do
get going though the shredder unopened to the senders (in the hope
that
they will finally get the message) but not actually gotrountuit yet.


So how are you going to do that then?

Really?

Video it on my phone and email them the video or link to it?

I was more intrigued how you would know where to send the video if you
have destroyed the card before opening it and hence don't know who sent
it...


I really meant that 'when it wasn't obvious where the card came from
because of the handwriting or because it was given to another family
member to give to me', I would open it to see if it was from, close it
again and then shred / video it.

With her Mum it took her to tear it in half in front of her (unopened)
before she got what we were asking (sounds harsh but we had asked
often enough and that manage to do the trick).


Indeed it sounds twisted and bitter, and completely lacking in human
empathy, or any trace of civility.


Yeah, wota paira complete arseholes those two are.

Because neither of us are religious, neither of us send / hand Xmyth
cards to anyone because why would we?


Perhaps because its a time of year when others are more willing to reach
out and connect with old friends and acquaintances, it helps them break
down barriers, and overcome fear of rejection for a while. Most people
will respond in kind even if they personally have no religious faith, and
despise the whole commercial aspect of Christmas - even if only for the
sake of other people's feelings.

Just in the same way we wouldn't
actively get involved in any other religious / other 'tradition /
ceremony if it wasn't a natural part of our lives.


Bet you don't get invited to many weddings, christenings etc then!

'We don't do Christmas' is generally all it needs for most people but
for others, it takes a bit more.


Yup it takes you being the bigger man, sucking it up and biting your
tongue. Why burn bridges and go out of your way to hurt other people's
feelings, when there is no benefit to anyone?

Like, if we go somewhere where they are aware we 'Don't do Christmas'
and so know they won't get a card or presents, how do they think it
makes us feel when they then give us a card or present?


For some there is pleasure (or at lease an escape for any feelings of
guilt or failing to live up to expectation) in giving without any
expectation of reward.

They say they
are happy to give without receiving (and I get that in general) but at
Xmas the 'tradition' is 'exchanging' gifts?


You seem keen to have them accept you don't do Christmas, so perhaps its
not unfair to accept their statement that they feel better giving
something.

Why is it assumed that we would celebrate Xmas but not Duvali,
Hanukkah or Imbolc?


Perhaps because Christmas is now far broader and wider than a just
religious feast. Many will find some part they can partake and enjoy like
time off work, a good **** up, or to enjoy seasonal food treats, even if
not many of the other parts.