On 23/08/2018 14:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/08/18 09:59, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

I wonder if there is any possibility that GW models might start to
show that decarbonisation is not quite so "essential". I suspect that
the Juggernaut is unstoppable on the decadal timescale.

'They' seem to have decided to emphasise the hothouse earth model
recently, probably it sounds more urgent so something must be done?

Somehow it has become relatively obvious that a naked all out battle
of the bull****ters is under way - Climate change, Renewable energy,
Brexit, Donald Trump....there is a naked power struggle going on and
the myth that politicians and people in power, in the media and in
authority do not deliberately lie, but are merely 'just mistaken' has
been blown right out of the water.

We are being deliberately lied to, on a massive and unprecedented
scale.

By some very very scary people.

or lizards

So good the likes of Turnip comes clean and wants to go back to the law of
the jungle. Forgetting that he wouldn't survive five minutes.

One of the things I find amusing is that I'm on the same side as TNP for
energy but the opposite side for Brexit. And yet I completely agree with
his analysis that public debate in so many areas is increasingly
dominated by loonies and that politicians hardly ever show signs of
proper critical thought.

I suppose I would have to concede that I can understand some parts of
the Brexit logic even though I am pretty sure that, overall, the
downsides are worse.

Whereas the renewables argument doesn't hold water at all, once you look
at it more closely. Unless, of course, people agree to live with the
loss of standard of living associated with energy prices quadrupling in
real terms over two or three decades.