On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:50:50 +0100, RJH wrote:

On 20/08/2018 17:11, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 20 August 2018 16:48:38 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
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It always makes me laugh when the fanatic Brexiteers say something
like 'The people voted and decided'

that's what they did and the way all voting systems in democracy work.

Voting systems 'work' on the basis of reasonably informed choices.

I think you may be wasting your time trying to explain such things to
w-d as it's obvious he isn't interested in any opinion other than his
own.

But you are right, a why a referendum isn't considered the right tool
for that sort of job (and why they had to *******ise it away from it's
default status of an 'advisory poll').

Given the concept of 'Brexit' was never properly explained (and still
isn't clear);

Except to those who either already were on a crusade about it or we
just racists. Most people probably didn't have a strong opinion either
way (as reflected in the outcome of the vote)..

the campaigning was at best tainted, at worst illegal; and
the quality of information and debate was poor. On both sides.

Quite, but suggest therefore that the result should be annulled and
the Brexiteers are up in arms. Surely they should be keen to see real
democracy at work?

So how is anyone supposed to make an informed choice?

You can't, it's impossible (of course).

Many who voted to remain did so not from an 'informed choice but
because they were between a rock and a hard place and so opted for the
status quo 'because'.

Many who voted leave did so because they actually believed the BS
campaign, are racists (even if only as 'Little Englanders') or as a
protest against the powers that be. They were also of a mind set
where they were willing to gamble our cow for some magic beans.

That isn't the way
a decent voting system or a democracy works.

No, 'of course' it isn't and could well explain why nearly the same
number of people who voted leave or remain, didn't vote at all. I
didn't vote, not because I couldn't be bothered (I turned up at the
polling station) but I couldn't determine from the FACTS available at
the time, which 'would' (not 'might be' *if* it all goes in our
favour) be best for most people.

And that's based on the facts available at the time (or now for that
matter), because I wasn't already on some anti-EU campaign or arrogant
enough to think we still had the right to think we were 'Great Britain
and that the world owed us anything. Ask anyone for whom 15th of
August 1947, the 4th July, 1776 or 1st July 1997 are important dates
(to name but three) ... what they think of us and you will get the
idea.

Cheers, T i m