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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:14:34 +0100, Rod Speed
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:21:28 +0100, Rod Speed
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I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just
to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps
clumping, which means that our dishes were coming out dirty
and needing rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So,
will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You can surely do your own
research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ ,
and playing with various detergents.
They're all the same, it's just detergent.
No they are not all the same. One left a haze on glasses
after a number of washes. Finish removed that haze and
it never happened when Finish was used.
I use rinse aid to remove the haze,
There is no haze to remove with Logix
or Finish tablets and no rinse aid.
I see no point in paying more for something that doesn't need a
cheaper thing to go with it.
I don't pay more. And what matters
is the total cost per dishwasher run.
My dishwasher has a place to put rinse aid, so clearly that's what
you're meant to use.
I don't give a **** what any manufacturer means
me to use, I use what gives me the cheapest
dishwasher run that gives the best results.
Rinse aid costs **** all, it only gets through a bottle once in a
while, and that's on the highest rinse aid setting.
Still more than not using it at all. No point
when I get a perfect result without using it.
Everything gleams stunningly.
It's nothing compared to the cost of the detergent.
Still no point in farting around with it when
it does nothing to the perfect result I get.
No farting around, it's auto-released.
Farting around buying it and refilling the dispenser when its empty.
So I'm not going to pick a detergent based on it not requiring any
rinse aid.
I don't either. I use the detergent is the cheapest
that delivers a perfect result. In fact now with the
Aldi dishwasher detergent, its not only the cheapest
I can get but also delivers a perfect result every time.
I've tried all detergents. They make no difference to the end result.
I tried quite a few and some did.
But using a longer/hotter wash helps a lot,
Still found some that didn't clean the worst as well
and one that left that haze on the glasses after a
number of cycles with that detergent which Finish
removed in just one cycle.
and using rinse aid helps a lot.
Makes no difference with mine.
so the detergent can leave it if it likes. I've set the rinse
aid selector to full.
Waste of money IMO, particularly with the
very cheap Logix and Finish discounted offers.
I buy supermarket brand stuff, works just fine.
You just said it does and you have
to give some stuff a second wash.
I never have to do that.
I've tried the expensive stuff like Finish and it was no better.
Then its either a **** dishwasher, not hot enough or long
enough cycle, or you don't stack the contents properly so
the detergent can't get at some bits in contact with others.
It's a Beko DWD 5411W AAA class. I know nothing about it, I was given
it when someone changed the colour of their kitchen.
I always leave plenty gap for the water to spray into each dish.
I run it at the hottest longest setting, about 70C for an hour and a
bit.
The Bosch takes a lot longer than that, 2:15,
presumably reason for the better result.
I'm not sure of the time it takes, but my washing machine is about that
long, and I'm fairly sure my dishwasher is quicker.
Mine is the reverse, the washing machine takes much less
time, not even half the time. But it is a non eco top loader
and I wash clothes in cold water all the time.
I never rinse or anything, just tip stuff like chop bones
and T bones into the bin before the plate goes into
the dishwasher and do a run usually about every 2
weeks, when there are no more clean dinner plates.
Same here, but more often as I have many many pets and use a lot
of dishes.
Why do you bother to give them a
clean one every meal with the pets ?
To avoid disease?
You don't get disease if you don't do that.
Then why do you ever wash your own dishes?
I prefer it. Nothing to do with disease.
And your cats wouldn't?
I don't care what they prefer, and they arent
my cats, they were the neighbours cats.
They're damn fussy about cleanliness.
They ate the food anyway.
I didn't ever have a bowl with my dog. I used to buy the
massive great 10KG sacks of dry dog food. Put it on the
concrete floor, slash the sack with a stanley knife and let
him help himself. When the sack was empty, slash another.
With a cat that would end up with the whole room covered in food. They're
****ing untidy.
Never got that when I did have cats.
The water bowl was one of those plastic icecream containers.
When that was empty he's shove it around the floor with his
nose and I'd fill it again and never bothered to wash it.
Guess with cats they can turn their noses up at dirty plates.
They're ****ing fussy. They beg for food,
That's likely habit. I managed to accidentally train my
neighbours cats when I fed them for the winter when
the neighbours used to trek to warmer climes in their
RV ever winter. I set an alarm in Outlook to remind
me to feed them since the cats stayed over their place.
Once the neighbours returned in spring, it was
obvious that I always fed them at the same time
every day because the buggers would stamp their
feet and demand to be fed at that time ever after.
I tend to feed mine at certain times of day (with wet meat),
otherwise they just eat as much as they can. They can live on the
cheaper dry food for the rest of the time. But they don't seem to
learn when they're going to get fed, they just moan all the time.
I'm surprised your neighbour's cats learned to read a clock.
They didn't, they got into the habit of eating at that time.
But how did they know what time it was?
Same way I know what the time is without using a clock.
Most people can't do that, let alone animals.
I can. I only ever bothered with an alarm when catching
the very early commercial plane and even then, I was
always awake when the alarm went off.
I don't wear a watch at all anymore and can always
give you the rough time within half an hour or so.
Not so reliably if I wake in the night tho.
Mine just whine when they're hungry. That time changes depending if
they've scrounged food off my neighbours while I was asleep.
then eat half of it, then refuse to eat the rest 2 hours later.
I just leave it there and they eat it or starve.
Yes they will if they have to. But there's much complaining
beforehand.
And I never washed their bowels
Bowels, ROFL!
every day either
and they never did get sick the whole winter.
Probably every 3 or 4 days I run the dishwasher.
I forgot to say that I only have one proper meal on a plate
every day. I don't bother with lunch, at most have an apple
or a couple of bananas and use the same small plate for
about half the dishwasher run time for the massive great
thick slab of toast that's my only breakfast. In other words
usually only a couple of those breakfast plates per
dishwasher run.
I also have one meal a day. Dunno where all the dishes come from
really.
And wash extremely filthy stuff like the roast lamb
roast pan with nothing done before washing except
to melt the fat and pour that off into an empty can.
And only wash that after a number of roasts. The
worst of the detergents don't get as good a result.
I leave stuff caked on for a few days, and a few dishes will come
out still slightly dirty,
Don't ever get that with the Logix or Finish tabs,
in the Bosch dishwasher on the ultra hot cycle.
I use the most aggressive cycle because some
of the other stuff like the shallow dishes I do the
filo chicken pillows etc in the convection oven
get really baked on stuff in them.
I find anything that's not got a decent amount of space for the
water to splash around doesn't get clean.
I do make sure that plates arent touching each other.
Which means there's not much space in it.
Huh ?
To leave a gap between two plates, you're not putting a plate inbetween.
I put mine in every slot in the rack and that
leaves plenty of space between each plate.
I find that results in 50% of them being left dirty.
That would be down to it being a steaming turd of a dishwasher.
Especially when they're all different shapes.
Makes no difference with the Bosch.
It's a Beko dishwasher though....
Yeah, likely the problem.
It was free and only 6 months old. The owner said it didn't match
the colour of her new kitchen.
And a dud design most likely. Dishwashers arent
trivial to design well, they only have water spray,
It's not that complicated a mechanism.
But it does need careful design of the detergent and
cycles for that to get everything perfect every time.
How difficult can it be to make a powder that dissolves stuff?
Very with the worst stuff. Even the best doesn't get rid of the
baked on grime with the glass convection ovens that have been
dishwashed every say 50 uses as an oven with the baked on fat.
https://www.betta.com.au/sunbeam-co3...BoCTkgQAvD_BwE
I don't pay anything even remotely like that for mine,
normally $5 or $10 from garage sales, brand new unused.