On 6/4/2018 at 7:41:39 PM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:46:44 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 4:35:23 PM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:51:35 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
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Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they
are charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt
away to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when
the gun charge might actually bring more time because of
mandatory minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF
should be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who
habitually disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the
nation but, every little bit helps.

We being legal firearm owners and the NRA. Firearm dealers are
buried in regulation with very spotty enforcement but the results
are dire if you are caught. It is like OSHA violations, the IRS or
just about any other government program.
I also agree dealers are not the biggest part of the illegal gun
problem. Thieves are.
I will throw you a bone and admit a lot of gun owners are sloppy
with where and how they store their guns. Mine are locked up and
you would have to look pretty hard to even find the places where
they are locked up.

You are not throwing me a bone by telling the truth. As it is such
a rare event, I understand why you might consider it a treat for
others. ;-)

Thieves are also small part of the overall gun problem. The
majority of the problem is the guns themselves. Too many that are
too easy to get, too easy to pass on to others and too easy to use
to perpetrate mass mayhem and murder.

There are 350-400 MILLION guns here and several thousand actually are
involved in a murder. That means most are peacefully being used by
legal owners.
Of those guns that do become involved in a murder most were stolen. In
fact the trail is so cold when recovered the cops don't even bother to
try to trace them.

Have you never experience the paradigm of a minority changing something
for a majority? Most of our laws exist because of a minority who
behave irresponsibly. That is where our nation is at with regard to
firearms.

American society is no longer going to bear the burden of placating
gunstrokers. It is not going to happen immediately, but it is going to
happen. Each massacre moves us closer to the inevitable.

Until people like you come up with truly effective solutions instead of
inane distractions, the nation will continue to run towards the sound
of the guns so they can be silenced forever. The nation is not afraid
of the NRA or Gunstrokers, our constitutional system is far more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.