"T i m" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 May 2018 17:45:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:31:44 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:

The idea of carrying around a multi-tool at all times just in case
it
might be needed seems odd to me.

After all, Mother State will look after you at all times, right?

Are you ****ed again?

And
indeed, once everything is owned and controlled by the State, you
won't need any tools, because everything will be perfect.

Try reading what you've written when sober and see if it still makes
sense
to you. If it does seek treatment.

I just find it very funny some on here won't even leave the house
without
taking things for every eventuality with them.

No-one ever mentioned being prepared for every eventuality. But being
trivially easily prepared for some common situations seems sensible
enough.

Certainly to those of us with many many years experience of relying
(in many cases) on such. eg, a 'number of times' the fact that I had
*MY* multitool on *ME* has saved the day. From replacing the clutch
cable on the Sierra Estate at the side of the road to removing some
swarf from the float valve on my Bedford CF campervan. I had a
reasonable set of tools on the van, including a socket set and a range
of ring and open ended spanners but not the right size open ender to
undo the fuel pipe union or a screwdriver short enough to undo the
float bowl screws themselves (tight under the bulkhead). The
Leatherman coped with both and 10 minutes later we were on our way.
Yes I could have called the AA but this was before I had a mobile
phone, we were on a hard shoulder of a dual carriageway and I had the
means and ability to sort it out myself. Leatherman Multitools aren't
cheap so am I expected to keep one in / on every vehicle I own and
every one I travel in? Similar situation with every house I visit
where they don't have tools but something needs fixing?

It's no longer legal though.

It isn't? Even if it's a 'permitted' daily carry?

Huge does have a point this time.

That's the thing. Pistols were banned from private ownership in spite
of few legally held guns ever being involved in crime. Even though
they are illegal it doesn't seem to stop people using them to shoot
other people in our cities (often in broad daylight), just as driving
without all the proper paperwork or dealing drugs is pretty common.
;-(

But making it illegal to carry particular knives does
allow the cops to arrest, charge and convict those they
find doing that, they don't have to wait until they stab
someone with it and have to prove that they did that.

As long as people want to hurt / rob other people the criminals
will find a way and it will be completely irrelevant what 'laws'
they put in place to try to prevent that. I'm not saying we
shouldn't do anything, it's just what we do shouldn't also
impact the everyday law abiding citizen.

Not possible with that last with knives. And hardly any law abiding citizen
is impacted much when knives with less than a 3" blades are allowed.

Sure, a few may have to get a new multitool, but that is hardly
the end of civilisation as we know it. Just like not allowing you
to carry what can be used to stab people in hand bags on planes.

Start arresting every reasonable and law abiding person
for carrying a 'permitted' pocket knife or multitool

That isnt what happens.

just because a minority use 'knives' (and rarely pocket
knives or Multitools) for crime against the person and
there simply wouldn't be enough prison places available.

But if any pocket knife was allowed, those arseholes that stab people
would just have those instead of the knives they currently use.

The only way to prevent such crime is to have metal
detectors and security on every house door and in the
middle of every street, and forcing everyone though them
(and searching every car) as mentioned, as a Nanny State.

Banning knives that are used to stab people does allow the
cops to arrest, charge and convict those they find with those
knives without having to catch them stabbing someone.

That reality TV series 'Ambulance' has an amazing number
of those who get stabbed and need an ambulance every
single day in London, even with the ban in place. Very
few of the stabbers ever get arrested, let alone convicted.

Would even 'life' or the death penalty stop many
do you think (before they are caught I mean). ;-)