"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 21:29:49 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:07:53 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 13:33, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 12:18:02 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 11:09, Andrew wrote:
On 02/05/2018 09:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/05/18 09:28, Nightjar wrote:
Asthma is certainly something that I don't recall anybody I
knew as a child having, which I doubt would be the case
today.
At least 4 people in my class at primary school had it and 3-4
in my secondary school, as did I.
We didnt advertise the fact tho.
They tend to grow out of it. The point is, how many of the 14,500
centenarians had serious illnesses or accidents during their
lives before the nanny state NHS ?. These are the ones who
inherited a good set of genes and a fair dose of lady luck.
Isn't that the whole point?
Distorted stats yes.
They developed immunity as a result of exposure to stuff that
modern children aren't exposed to.
No they didn't or there's little proof. Few children had serious
illnesses or accidents from the mines in later life because they
died
early and few records were kept.
Irrelevant unless you are claiming those with asthma were more likely
to
die in a mine accident.
I'm claiming that those with asthma or any other such
problem might die long before they get to see a doctor
for asthma to be recorded especailly 50+ years ago.
Problem with that line is that I dont recall any kids
I knew dying at all, from anything, 50+ years ago.
Most could look back at the past to see what was killing
people, but asthma wasn't really recorded accuratly as
it wasn't really known about like it is today.
Sure, but I was saying that none I knew died,
not that it wasnt known what killed them.
I only knew one who died personally when I was rather
older and it was known that she died of leukaemia.
I didnt even know any personally who had died in an accident.
Likewise serious illness as you are looking at the past history
of those that survived not those that died from other causes.
That is partly the problem isn't it.
How many of those that died at dunkirk might have
lived and had asthma, we'll never really know.
Asthma isnt something that shows up in those after that age.
http://asthmaandallergies.org/asthma...-onset-asthma/
Sure, but its much less common than asthma in children.
And before WW1, the percentage of the population dying in
the UK in wars in say the century before WW1 was much lower.
irrelivant to asthma.
Completely relevant to your line that we didnt
see asthma in them because they died in the war.
You have about as much understanding as smokers do.. you can look
at a population and see that lots of the people that suffer from heart
disease smoke so its very likely that smoking causes heart disease but
you say well look they are 90 and smoke and dont have heart disease
so it can't be true. Based totally on your limited views.
I'm not limiting my views, you've limited yours.
I'm saying thres no way of knowing whether an adult would
get asthma in later life if they died down the pits or at war.
Asthma isnt something you get in later life.
Yes it is.
How does adult onset asthma compare with childhood asthma?
Unlike children who often experience intermittent asthma symptoms in
response to allergy triggers or respiratory infections, adults with newly
diagnosed asthma generally have persistent symptoms. Daily medications may
be required to keep asthma under control.
Or are you realy saying you've only ever seen kids use those inhalers
Never seen an adult use one.
So is it a good thing or a bad thing having kids/babies/teenagers/young
-adults/middle-aged/OAP/really crumpty old ****ers100+ breathing in
car fumes if as you say it might in the furter protect them from asthma
?
Yes, you do have a valid point that modern kids are exposed to quite
a bit of that sort of thing that the boomer kids weren't exposed to.
and jimmy saville 
Thats a myth. There were in fact plenty of pedophiles
in the victorian era. Lots of incest too.
But the boomer kids in london were exposed to a
lot more smog from coal used to heat houses too.
but was it called asthma, was it asthma ?
I wasnt saying anything about what it was called, just
pointing out that there was lots of pollution then.
But that doesnt explain why we see a lot more kids with
asthma here than we used to with the boomer kids.
That could be down to city pollution
Unlikely when london particularly was much more polluted for
the boomer kids. Maybe that pollution didnt produce asthma tho.
and chemicals
Unlikely that there were more chemicals then than we see now
with so much more use of plastics and stuff like paint etc and
cleaning chemicals now. But again, maybe those weren't what
produced asthma in kids.
rather than rape seed or pollen.
Rather unlikely there is a lot more of that now than for the boomer kids.
Obesity increases the chances of getting asthma,
None of the recent kids I know who had asthma were obese.
adults get longer to get to obesity than kids do,
But far fewer adults get asthma than with kids.